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		<title>By: Half-baked ramblings, spaghetti sauce, and the locus of control</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-2258</link>
		<dc:creator>Half-baked ramblings, spaghetti sauce, and the locus of control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Feeling a bit uneasy, and fuzzy, I sketch out a post, drenched in undergraduate nostalgia, outlining objections to some discourse concerning the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Aurilio</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Aurilio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 03:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to hear I&#039;m not the only one dismayed by   overgeneralizations and pseudo-theories gone amok.
Last year at a webinar on adult learners
http://www.educause.edu/AdultLearners/9415, Pam Tate  pointed out that more and more 18-24yr old students have the characteristics of a non-traditional student, a category usually describing older, returning students, with jobs, familial responsibilities, etc.. It was a revealing and useful information for understanding student populations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to hear I&#8217;m not the only one dismayed by   overgeneralizations and pseudo-theories gone amok.<br />
Last year at a webinar on adult learners<br />
<a href="http://www.educause.edu/AdultLearners/9415" rel="nofollow">http://www.educause.edu/AdultLearners/9415</a>, Pam Tate  pointed out that more and more 18-24yr old students have the characteristics of a non-traditional student, a category usually describing older, returning students, with jobs, familial responsibilities, etc.. It was a revealing and useful information for understanding student populations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Alexander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Class is nearly an untouchable category.  It falls between the cracks of several major discourse blocks: faculty culture, infrastructure, threats from cyberspace, institutional considerations.

See you in Atlanta, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Class is nearly an untouchable category.  It falls between the cracks of several major discourse blocks: faculty culture, infrastructure, threats from cyberspace, institutional considerations.</p>
<p>See you in Atlanta, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: Vicki Davis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Vicki Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that if parents join their children online they will find that they have richer, more meaningful relationships with them.  Additionally, I find that as a teacher when I joined my students online and we used social networking tools for learning that my relationship and ultimately their learning flourished.

This is not about a new generation disconnecting it is about an old generation unwilling to connect.  As adults and analysts, I think many people are viewing this from the wrong direction.

Life is about change.  The student we teach will change careers a multitude of times and will have to learn and relearn.  Isn&#039;t it about time that a mass exodus of adults INTO social networking/ blogs/ wikis/ Second life occurred so that we can relate instead of sitting back and wishing they&#039;d call us on the phone more!

GREAT article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if parents join their children online they will find that they have richer, more meaningful relationships with them.  Additionally, I find that as a teacher when I joined my students online and we used social networking tools for learning that my relationship and ultimately their learning flourished.</p>
<p>This is not about a new generation disconnecting it is about an old generation unwilling to connect.  As adults and analysts, I think many people are viewing this from the wrong direction.</p>
<p>Life is about change.  The student we teach will change careers a multitude of times and will have to learn and relearn.  Isn&#8217;t it about time that a mass exodus of adults INTO social networking/ blogs/ wikis/ Second life occurred so that we can relate instead of sitting back and wishing they&#8217;d call us on the phone more!</p>
<p>GREAT article!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, this isn&#039;t the first time you&#039;ve written a comment to post of mine that totally blows the original verbiage out of the water.

Hope it isn&#039;t the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, this isn&#8217;t the first time you&#8217;ve written a comment to post of mine that totally blows the original verbiage out of the water.</p>
<p>Hope it isn&#8217;t the last.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,

I am very skeptical of the trend in ed tech (and beyond) to boil many of the over-arching questions facing the intersection of technology and learning to  banal, prescriptive generalizations. I was at a conference at CUNY in December and the keynote speaker spent an hour making jokes about the differences between boomers, gen Xers, and millenials.  I found the whole thing to be symptomatic of the current (and misguided) compulsion to not only categorize, but to quantify these categorizations in order to feign some semblance of a theory. What is the underlying logic behind this idea?  That learning is always already predicated upon one&#039;s age? Which generation is defining the the classification of &quot;learning styles&quot; for the others? How? This approach seems, at least at times, to consist of a number of loosely defined observations and characterizations that have been grafted upon some learning styles pyramid that has been recalibrated  by age groups and generations.

Educational technology, as I am experiencing it, is not about classifying learners. It&#039;s about re-framing the spaces and possibilities through and in which students (despite their age) can imagine themselves as learners. Such an approach, carried out thoughtfully, considers and accounts for all sorts of factors that inform this complex process of learning, i.e., economics, race, gender, ethnicity, etc.


Great post, I feel like I was right that at the bar with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>I am very skeptical of the trend in ed tech (and beyond) to boil many of the over-arching questions facing the intersection of technology and learning to  banal, prescriptive generalizations. I was at a conference at CUNY in December and the keynote speaker spent an hour making jokes about the differences between boomers, gen Xers, and millenials.  I found the whole thing to be symptomatic of the current (and misguided) compulsion to not only categorize, but to quantify these categorizations in order to feign some semblance of a theory. What is the underlying logic behind this idea?  That learning is always already predicated upon one&#8217;s age? Which generation is defining the the classification of &#8220;learning styles&#8221; for the others? How? This approach seems, at least at times, to consist of a number of loosely defined observations and characterizations that have been grafted upon some learning styles pyramid that has been recalibrated  by age groups and generations.</p>
<p>Educational technology, as I am experiencing it, is not about classifying learners. It&#8217;s about re-framing the spaces and possibilities through and in which students (despite their age) can imagine themselves as learners. Such an approach, carried out thoughtfully, considers and accounts for all sorts of factors that inform this complex process of learning, i.e., economics, race, gender, ethnicity, etc.</p>
<p>Great post, I feel like I was right that at the bar with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 02:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you&#039;re right to make that distinction. I&#039;d say those kids are at university to maximize their lifelong earning potential, and to meet hotties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you&#8217;re right to make that distinction. I&#8217;d say those kids are at university to maximize their lifelong earning potential, and to meet hotties.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 01:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding your paragraph on considerations of economic class, you touched on a sore spot of mine (which doesn&#039;t contradict your point at all).  Students at my school are overwhelmingly upper middle class and above.  Yet we are often told that we can&#039;t expect much of them academically since they work 30 hours or more a week.  I have nothing but sympathy for students who genuinely need to work their way thru school, but few of my students fit that profile.  When I&#039;ve explored their &quot;need&quot; to work, the majority explain that they need the spending money to pay for trips to Cancun, expensive apartments, cars and the like.  It makes me wonder what they&#039;re at university for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding your paragraph on considerations of economic class, you touched on a sore spot of mine (which doesn&#8217;t contradict your point at all).  Students at my school are overwhelmingly upper middle class and above.  Yet we are often told that we can&#8217;t expect much of them academically since they work 30 hours or more a week.  I have nothing but sympathy for students who genuinely need to work their way thru school, but few of my students fit that profile.  When I&#8217;ve explored their &#8220;need&#8221; to work, the majority explain that they need the spending money to pay for trips to Cancun, expensive apartments, cars and the like.  It makes me wonder what they&#8217;re at university for.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey two new commenters! (To me at least.)  Welcome.

Kelly - Lots of interesting questions.  I do think more families are bound to become more technologically savvy... it will be interesting if this &#039;generation gap&#039; in tech-skills (even if it is overstated now) will close in the years to come.

Peter - We&#039;ll have to pub it some other time!  I do think it&#039;s a shame we can&#039;t think of more safe public spaces for kids.  In a sense, I would prefer that the void for safe autonomous public spaces that the web is filling weren&#039;t quite so vast and gaping...  I would say that the fears around physical public spaces are also overblown, but as a parent I find myself as prone to letting fear (and the judgments of others) determine what I will allow my son to do as most people.

D&#039;Arcy - can&#039;t disagree.  The sheer scale of the generalization is the single most objectionable piece of the whole digital native mythology.  There&#039;s plenty to learn by paying attention to young people, but in a sense we&#039;re just slotting them into another, if somewhat more positive, stereotype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey two new commenters! (To me at least.)  Welcome.</p>
<p>Kelly &#8211; Lots of interesting questions.  I do think more families are bound to become more technologically savvy&#8230; it will be interesting if this &#8216;generation gap&#8217; in tech-skills (even if it is overstated now) will close in the years to come.</p>
<p>Peter &#8211; We&#8217;ll have to pub it some other time!  I do think it&#8217;s a shame we can&#8217;t think of more safe public spaces for kids.  In a sense, I would prefer that the void for safe autonomous public spaces that the web is filling weren&#8217;t quite so vast and gaping&#8230;  I would say that the fears around physical public spaces are also overblown, but as a parent I find myself as prone to letting fear (and the judgments of others) determine what I will allow my son to do as most people.</p>
<p>D&#8217;Arcy &#8211; can&#8217;t disagree.  The sheer scale of the generalization is the single most objectionable piece of the whole digital native mythology.  There&#8217;s plenty to learn by paying attention to young people, but in a sense we&#8217;re just slotting them into another, if somewhat more positive, stereotype.</p>
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		<title>By: D'Arcy Norman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2007/01/education-is-wasted-on-the-prematurely-middle-aged/comment-page-1/#comment-1217</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Arcy Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never liked the whole Digital Natives BS. Waaaay too much of an oversimplification and generalization. I hadn&#039;t thought about the socioeconomic forces pushing young(er) students out of their mythical digital nativity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never liked the whole Digital Natives BS. Waaaay too much of an oversimplification and generalization. I hadn&#8217;t thought about the socioeconomic forces pushing young(er) students out of their mythical digital nativity&#8230;</p>
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