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	<title>Comments on: Just to recap: we can find what we need, but will we find you?</title>
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	<description>social learning, open education, and petty battles with rivals over power and money...</description>
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		<title>By: Tales of openness and serendipity: a full throated cry for help&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2716</link>
		<dc:creator>Tales of openness and serendipity: a full throated cry for help&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 00:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a posted list of open education resource links was developed into the prototype of an effective search tool without any central coordination or specification. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Zaid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2023</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great reflective post :)

Yes, I have never met or have collaborated with  Tony Hirst and Scott Leslie (I hope to one day!). But we seem to have done something interesting together, which hopefully someone out there find useful.

Also, Stephen Downes (or Joseph Hart) I suppose is the ORACLE that have linked us together on this mission to find great OER and OCW.

Although, I really admire Tony Hirst&#039;s great idea to use Google Custom search for this post, I did actually create an OER search using Google&#039;s master piece way back in January (2008). URL: http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/2008/01/google-custom-search-for-openfree.html


Google Custom search can be a useful tool (if we we feed it with a lot of relevant links) to search OER and OCW (or whatever!), especially if we use the filters, too.

At least it is cheap, I mean free and fast to develop :)

Combine Google Custom Search with human generated repository and course collections, and we are really going to make it easier for the rest of the world to find great OER and OCW.

Have a great learning week and thanks for great reflective post :)

Warm Regards,

Zaid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great reflective post <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, I have never met or have collaborated with  Tony Hirst and Scott Leslie (I hope to one day!). But we seem to have done something interesting together, which hopefully someone out there find useful.</p>
<p>Also, Stephen Downes (or Joseph Hart) I suppose is the ORACLE that have linked us together on this mission to find great OER and OCW.</p>
<p>Although, I really admire Tony Hirst&#8217;s great idea to use Google Custom search for this post, I did actually create an OER search using Google&#8217;s master piece way back in January (2008). URL: <a href="http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/2008/01/google-custom-search-for-openfree.html" rel="nofollow">http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/2008/01/google-custom-search-for-openfree.html</a></p>
<p>Google Custom search can be a useful tool (if we we feed it with a lot of relevant links) to search OER and OCW (or whatever!), especially if we use the filters, too.</p>
<p>At least it is cheap, I mean free and fast to develop <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Combine Google Custom Search with human generated repository and course collections, and we are really going to make it easier for the rest of the world to find great OER and OCW.</p>
<p>Have a great learning week and thanks for great reflective post <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Warm Regards,</p>
<p>Zaid</p>
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		<title>By: Zaid</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2022</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great reflective post :)

Yes, I have never met or have collaborated with  Tony Hirst and Scott Leslie (I hope to one day!). But we seem to have done something interesting together, which hopefully someone out there find useful.

Also, Stephen Downes (or Joseph Hart) I suppose is the ORACLE that have linked us together on this mission to find great OER and OCW.

Although, I really admire Tony Hirst&#039;s great idea to use Google Custom search for this post, I did actually create an OER search using Google&#039;s master piece way back in January (2008). URL: http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/2008/01/google-custom-search-for-openfree.html


Google Custom search can be a useful tool (if we we feed it with a lot of relevant links) to search OER and OCW (or whatever!), especially if we use the filters, too.

At least it is cheap, I mean free and fast to develop :)

Combine Google Custom Search with human generated repository and course collections, and we are really going to make it easier for the rest of the world to find great OER and OCW.

Have a great learning week and thanks for great reflective post :)

Warm Regards,

Zaid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great reflective post <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, I have never met or have collaborated with  Tony Hirst and Scott Leslie (I hope to one day!). But we seem to have done something interesting together, which hopefully someone out there find useful.</p>
<p>Also, Stephen Downes (or Joseph Hart) I suppose is the ORACLE that have linked us together on this mission to find great OER and OCW.</p>
<p>Although, I really admire Tony Hirst&#8217;s great idea to use Google Custom search for this post, I did actually create an OER search using Google&#8217;s master piece way back in January (2008). URL: <a href="http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/2008/01/google-custom-search-for-openfree.html" rel="nofollow">http://zaidlearn.blogspot.com/2008/01/google-custom-search-for-openfree.html</a></p>
<p>Google Custom search can be a useful tool (if we we feed it with a lot of relevant links) to search OER and OCW (or whatever!), especially if we use the filters, too.</p>
<p>At least it is cheap, I mean free and fast to develop <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Combine Google Custom Search with human generated repository and course collections, and we are really going to make it easier for the rest of the world to find great OER and OCW.</p>
<p>Have a great learning week and thanks for great reflective post <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Warm Regards,</p>
<p>Zaid</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Hirst</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2024</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Hirst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a bit more to the story, in fact...

http://www.downes.ca/post/45032
Downes writing about Zaid&#039;s post in OLDaily:
&quot;Zaid has updated his list of free online learning resource sites. This is a great resource - and something to spur me to create something (using RSS or something) that will aggregate and make available for search the collected resources from those sites.&quot;

The CSE hack was actually a response to Stephen&#039;s &#039;note to self&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a bit more to the story, in fact&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.downes.ca/post/45032" rel="nofollow">http://www.downes.ca/post/45032</a><br />
Downes writing about Zaid&#8217;s post in OLDaily:<br />
&#8220;Zaid has updated his list of free online learning resource sites. This is a great resource &#8211; and something to spur me to create something (using RSS or something) that will aggregate and make available for search the collected resources from those sites.&#8221;</p>
<p>The CSE hack was actually a response to Stephen&#8217;s &#8216;note to self&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the digital equivalent of pulling your tongue, phhwwt? well phhwwt and double phhwwt!

&quot;painful and expensive they are to implement and manage...&quot; that&#039;s the whole frickin&#039; point! IT&#039;S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER IT&#039;S GOING TO GET WORSE. What we need is to stop pulling content out of it&#039;s CONTEXT OF USE and let that serve as the way we find it, exactly the way google works. It&#039;s the 80/20 thing again, and I&#039;m quite happy with 80% (especially for free).

No doubt indeed, the existence of some structured or properly curated metadata does help the search engines, and in limited cases (read: your library catalog) may provide the expert searcher better results. For now. but don&#039;t go betting your pension on it. And you&#039;re right, we can use other things like tags, social search and the like to add to the pure search engine approach.

(oh, and you&#039;re still invited to our place this summer, that way I can pull my tongue in person ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the digital equivalent of pulling your tongue, phhwwt? well phhwwt and double phhwwt!</p>
<p>&#8220;painful and expensive they are to implement and manage&#8230;&#8221; that&#8217;s the whole frickin&#8217; point! IT&#8217;S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER IT&#8217;S GOING TO GET WORSE. What we need is to stop pulling content out of it&#8217;s CONTEXT OF USE and let that serve as the way we find it, exactly the way google works. It&#8217;s the 80/20 thing again, and I&#8217;m quite happy with 80% (especially for free).</p>
<p>No doubt indeed, the existence of some structured or properly curated metadata does help the search engines, and in limited cases (read: your library catalog) may provide the expert searcher better results. For now. but don&#8217;t go betting your pension on it. And you&#8217;re right, we can use other things like tags, social search and the like to add to the pure search engine approach.</p>
<p>(oh, and you&#8217;re still invited to our place this summer, that way I can pull my tongue in person <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Joseph</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2026</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops, the links I used are:

http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/tag/index.php?id=3535

http://mathforum.org/library/topics/history/?keyid=9373651&amp;start_at=51&amp;num_to_see=50

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topics/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, the links I used are:</p>
<p><a href="http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/tag/index.php?id=3535" rel="nofollow">http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/tag/index.php?id=3535</a></p>
<p><a href="http://mathforum.org/library/topics/history/?keyid=9373651&#038;start_at=51&#038;num_to_see=50" rel="nofollow">http://mathforum.org/library/topics/history/?keyid=9373651&#038;start_at=51&#038;num_to_see=50</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/topics/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/topics/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Joseph</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2027</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that it is best to have servers/machines/google/HAL do the work searching and harvesting content given certain parameters that we input, I&#039;d like to throw my 2 cents in for those lone ghosts who help ensure that the content is structured or formatted in such a way that it can be indexed, trolled, google-botted, and returned in those search queries. I&#039;m speaking, of course, of those hard-working, controlling, organizationally-minded tweeds otherwise known as librarians, information architects, or content managers. Details and metadata, standards and structure, though painful and expensive they are to implement and manage, often produce content that is richer, findable, and easier to reuse than the unstructured and undescribed kind. Using the Google custom search box above, I looked for resources on Canadian History and came up with a wide variety of content, much of which was not related to my query. This is one of the key problems with both the wide variety of content available online and the mysterious ways in which google ingests and indexes it. For some unrelated hits, see &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

An example in which well-described structured content has been automatically harvested and reused is a project I worked on at the BBC called &lt;a&gt;Topics&lt;/a&gt;, a directory of sorts that pulls in various content from across the site related to places, people, or subjects. It represents the best of both worlds: content management and dynamic content generation. No human interference necessary after programming the initial search queries. But the content that is returned is rich, and more importantly, relevant.

Cheers,

pj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that it is best to have servers/machines/google/HAL do the work searching and harvesting content given certain parameters that we input, I&#8217;d like to throw my 2 cents in for those lone ghosts who help ensure that the content is structured or formatted in such a way that it can be indexed, trolled, google-botted, and returned in those search queries. I&#8217;m speaking, of course, of those hard-working, controlling, organizationally-minded tweeds otherwise known as librarians, information architects, or content managers. Details and metadata, standards and structure, though painful and expensive they are to implement and manage, often produce content that is richer, findable, and easier to reuse than the unstructured and undescribed kind. Using the Google custom search box above, I looked for resources on Canadian History and came up with a wide variety of content, much of which was not related to my query. This is one of the key problems with both the wide variety of content available online and the mysterious ways in which google ingests and indexes it. For some unrelated hits, see <a>here</a> and <a>here</a>.</p>
<p>An example in which well-described structured content has been automatically harvested and reused is a project I worked on at the BBC called <a>Topics</a>, a directory of sorts that pulls in various content from across the site related to places, people, or subjects. It represents the best of both worlds: content management and dynamic content generation. No human interference necessary after programming the initial search queries. But the content that is returned is rich, and more importantly, relevant.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>pj</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/06/just-to-recap-we-can-find-what-we-need-but-will-we-find-you/comment-page-1/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen and pass the Gu!

(and by the way, do you ever get the sense someone is messing with your heads with the captchas below? The two words I am supposed to type - &quot;Crowley&quot; and &quot;Insane&quot;. Is it a full moon or something?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen and pass the Gu!</p>
<p>(and by the way, do you ever get the sense someone is messing with your heads with the captchas below? The two words I am supposed to type &#8211; &#8220;Crowley&#8221; and &#8220;Insane&#8221;. Is it a full moon or something?)</p>
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