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		<title>By: My network kicks ass &#8230;DSpace social layer update</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/11/a-social-layer-for-dspace/comment-page-1/#comment-2290</link>
		<dc:creator>My network kicks ass &#8230;DSpace social layer update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I have been doing with Julià Minguillón and his team here at the UOC on trying to make the act of searching statistics resources in DSpace in itself a learning experience. I am hoping to get an update on our thinking up later this morning, but before I do so I would be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I have been doing with Julià Minguillón and his team here at the UOC on trying to make the act of searching statistics resources in DSpace in itself a learning experience. I am hoping to get an update on our thinking up later this morning, but before I do so I would be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J. Minguillon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/11/a-social-layer-for-dspace/comment-page-1/#comment-2160</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Minguillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to have also like this

http://www.visualthesaurus.com/

for the &quot;formal&quot; taxonomy, have you ever tried? any open source solution for creating such dynamic trees from RDF?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to have also like this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.visualthesaurus.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.visualthesaurus.com/</a></p>
<p>for the &#8220;formal&#8221; taxonomy, have you ever tried? any open source solution for creating such dynamic trees from RDF?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Leslie</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/11/a-social-layer-for-dspace/comment-page-1/#comment-2162</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So this http://tinyurl.com/6s27d3 piece is about &quot;institutional repositories&quot; (which is the more typically usecase for DSpace) but it&#039;s got some interesting ideas from the perspective of how to omake the repository more compelling for both the author and the users of the content, some of which might qualify as a &quot;social layer.&quot; Certainly, basic things like &quot;embed codes&quot; and &quot;widgets&quot; for the content seem like one obvious move to make it easier for the content to flow.

Very interested to learn where they go this. Dspace has a lot going for it in facilitating the conventional institutional/library/archive concerns; its lack (and to be fair, the lack of ALL repositories) has always been in how it facilitates the USERS&#039; concerns around sharing and reuse.

Cheers, Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6s27d3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6s27d3</a> piece is about &#8220;institutional repositories&#8221; (which is the more typically usecase for DSpace) but it&#8217;s got some interesting ideas from the perspective of how to omake the repository more compelling for both the author and the users of the content, some of which might qualify as a &#8220;social layer.&#8221; Certainly, basic things like &#8220;embed codes&#8221; and &#8220;widgets&#8221; for the content seem like one obvious move to make it easier for the content to flow.</p>
<p>Very interested to learn where they go this. Dspace has a lot going for it in facilitating the conventional institutional/library/archive concerns; its lack (and to be fair, the lack of ALL repositories) has always been in how it facilitates the USERS&#8217; concerns around sharing and reuse.</p>
<p>Cheers, Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/11/a-social-layer-for-dspace/comment-page-1/#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much to all of you for offering such provocative feedback! Julià and I are reading and discussing all of it.



Doug, the tension you describe is also very much on our minds. The notion of defining the engagement is important, though as you note it&#039;s vital not to squash potential emergent uses that are unanticipated.



Erik - MACE looks beautiful, and groovy. I will study it closer, and I will be in touch for some follow-up. Thanks!



Mike - If you think that board is scary to you... Using some third-party tools for enhanced social functions (not to mention data portability and enhanced reuse) is not something we have talked about enough. I appreciate the prompt. And I will suggest looking at the Ning code. If nothing else, it might allow for some rapid prototyping and getting some working models up for feedback. As for the &quot;gotta give to get&quot;, I&#039;ve had similar thoughts... and wondered too if it was nuts. My instinct is that the difference between learning resources and groovy music is too great. Having said that, we have to study what works on the web and these sites work very, very well. I applaud you thinking so creatively.



Paul - you rule, those examples are being looked at and digested. Now, I definitely gotta buy you a beer when I get back to Van Rock City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much to all of you for offering such provocative feedback! Julià and I are reading and discussing all of it.</p>
<p>Doug, the tension you describe is also very much on our minds. The notion of defining the engagement is important, though as you note it&#8217;s vital not to squash potential emergent uses that are unanticipated.</p>
<p>Erik &#8211; MACE looks beautiful, and groovy. I will study it closer, and I will be in touch for some follow-up. Thanks!</p>
<p>Mike &#8211; If you think that board is scary to you&#8230; Using some third-party tools for enhanced social functions (not to mention data portability and enhanced reuse) is not something we have talked about enough. I appreciate the prompt. And I will suggest looking at the Ning code. If nothing else, it might allow for some rapid prototyping and getting some working models up for feedback. As for the &#8220;gotta give to get&#8221;, I&#8217;ve had similar thoughts&#8230; and wondered too if it was nuts. My instinct is that the difference between learning resources and groovy music is too great. Having said that, we have to study what works on the web and these sites work very, very well. I applaud you thinking so creatively.</p>
<p>Paul &#8211; you rule, those examples are being looked at and digested. Now, I definitely gotta buy you a beer when I get back to Van Rock City.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Brian,

I think that&#039;s a great question you pose. You might want to check out the work that &lt;a href=&quot;http://vre.upei.ca/dev/&quot;&gt;Mark Leggott and his team have done at UPEI&lt;/a&gt; with Fedora Commons, a back-end repository application that they&#039;ve got feeding into a Drupal module. Nothing social to speak of at the moment, but they have made their module publicly available. This at least demonstrates that you don&#039;t necessarily need to be tied to a repository interface (although in this case, Fedora doesn&#039;t have an interface to interact with). This relates to DSpace because, as &lt;a href=&quot;http://loomware.typepad.com/loomware/2008/07/dspace-fedora-c.html&quot;&gt;Mark mentioned in his blog&lt;/a&gt;, they are in the process of &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.dspace.org/index.php/DSpace_Fedora_Collaboration&quot;&gt;discussing possible collaborations (and integration?)&lt;/a&gt; with the Fedora team. On that agenda includes things like a personal web-based service for end users and lightweight application integration. Hope that helps.

pj</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Brian,</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a great question you pose. You might want to check out the work that <a href="http://vre.upei.ca/dev/">Mark Leggott and his team have done at UPEI</a> with Fedora Commons, a back-end repository application that they&#8217;ve got feeding into a Drupal module. Nothing social to speak of at the moment, but they have made their module publicly available. This at least demonstrates that you don&#8217;t necessarily need to be tied to a repository interface (although in this case, Fedora doesn&#8217;t have an interface to interact with). This relates to DSpace because, as <a href="http://loomware.typepad.com/loomware/2008/07/dspace-fedora-c.html">Mark mentioned in his blog</a>, they are in the process of <a href="http://wiki.dspace.org/index.php/DSpace_Fedora_Collaboration">discussing possible collaborations (and integration?)</a> with the Fedora team. On that agenda includes things like a personal web-based service for end users and lightweight application integration. Hope that helps.</p>
<p>pj</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is third party hosting a restriction? Both del.icio.us and twitter can be used as skeletal API and messaging systems and a front-end built on top of those. But I think that may not be what you want here. You want something with source code.

If you are not faint of heart, you can get Ning source and hack that in. Community structure in Ning is really good, and there&#039;s a photo app in there that should be able to be modified for something like this if you want to get in the source code.

But once again, not sure if I completely get what you are asking. And that board scares me.

On last note on illegal sharing -- I&#039;ve been thinking of this re: illegal torrent sites. Because they suffer from a leech problem there&#039;s some interesting stuff that goes on on them that I find fascinating. One key -- having both predictable and unpredictable awards for good behavior (e.g. sharing). Another -- Points, that allow those that have shared (or annotated or whatever) to buy access to certain high-load features like power searching. And then, sporadic &quot;wild weeks&quot; or times when all the rules are off -- or all the benefits are doubled or tripled, etc.

So in the case of note sharing, a system might work like this -- everybody gets access to x free notes to start. But at some point you have to contribute to get more, either through providing notes, or annotations, or ratings, or reviews. To fill gaps, specials are announced -- triple points this week for uploading any chemistry notes. Custom title to person uploading most blackboard captures, etc.

I know it sounds nuts, but it seems to work on these torrent sites. Of course, people tend to like music and ebooks more than edumacation, so who knows. But it&#039;s certainly worth a look at sites like waffles.fm and other sites which have gotten sharing up to formerly unseen levels, and really dealt effectively with the free rider problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is third party hosting a restriction? Both del.icio.us and twitter can be used as skeletal API and messaging systems and a front-end built on top of those. But I think that may not be what you want here. You want something with source code.</p>
<p>If you are not faint of heart, you can get Ning source and hack that in. Community structure in Ning is really good, and there&#8217;s a photo app in there that should be able to be modified for something like this if you want to get in the source code.</p>
<p>But once again, not sure if I completely get what you are asking. And that board scares me.</p>
<p>On last note on illegal sharing &#8212; I&#8217;ve been thinking of this re: illegal torrent sites. Because they suffer from a leech problem there&#8217;s some interesting stuff that goes on on them that I find fascinating. One key &#8212; having both predictable and unpredictable awards for good behavior (e.g. sharing). Another &#8212; Points, that allow those that have shared (or annotated or whatever) to buy access to certain high-load features like power searching. And then, sporadic &#8220;wild weeks&#8221; or times when all the rules are off &#8212; or all the benefits are doubled or tripled, etc.</p>
<p>So in the case of note sharing, a system might work like this &#8212; everybody gets access to x free notes to start. But at some point you have to contribute to get more, either through providing notes, or annotations, or ratings, or reviews. To fill gaps, specials are announced &#8212; triple points this week for uploading any chemistry notes. Custom title to person uploading most blackboard captures, etc.</p>
<p>I know it sounds nuts, but it seems to work on these torrent sites. Of course, people tend to like music and ebooks more than edumacation, so who knows. But it&#8217;s certainly worth a look at sites like waffles.fm and other sites which have gotten sharing up to formerly unseen levels, and really dealt effectively with the free rider problem.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Minguillon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/11/a-social-layer-for-dspace/comment-page-1/#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Minguillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...well, facebook and high resolution pic do not really match, here you have the Flickr one:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/procsilas/3044716385/

two worlds are crossing here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;well, facebook and high resolution pic do not really match, here you have the Flickr one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/procsilas/3044716385/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/procsilas/3044716385/</a></p>
<p>two worlds are crossing here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J. Minguillon</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/11/a-social-layer-for-dspace/comment-page-1/#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Minguillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just in case you want a higher resolution pic of the whiteboard:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=70176&amp;l=f61cd&amp;id=786289873</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just in case you want a higher resolution pic of the whiteboard:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=70176&#038;l=f61cd&#038;id=786289873" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=70176&#038;l=f61cd&#038;id=786289873</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erik Duval</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2008/11/a-social-layer-for-dspace/comment-page-1/#comment-2168</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik Duval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be happy to help with this: making learning resources available in ways that make sense is a topic we work on quite a bit - see for instance http://portal.mace-project.eu/ for some nice examples of more innovative and flexible approaches. These at least seem to make some sense for architecture students ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be happy to help with this: making learning resources available in ways that make sense is a topic we work on quite a bit &#8211; see for instance <a href="http://portal.mace-project.eu/" rel="nofollow">http://portal.mace-project.eu/</a> for some nice examples of more innovative and flexible approaches. These at least seem to make some sense for architecture students <img src='http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Doug Symington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Symington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first thing I think of is how tagging of content can be &quot;formalized&quot; to the extent that participants agree on semantics, and yet &quot;open&quot; enough to allow for the power of folksonomies to categorize content in ways that might not immediately to designers and developers.

&quot;Rules of engagement&quot; especially in terms of tagging, or &quot;meta-tagging&quot; may help with the delineation of content along lines that make sense to users, and provide for the evolution of the content, as well as the exercise of tagging itself. The secret comes in providing direction without being so prescriptive that one undercuts creativity in the use (and tagging) of resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing I think of is how tagging of content can be &#8220;formalized&#8221; to the extent that participants agree on semantics, and yet &#8220;open&#8221; enough to allow for the power of folksonomies to categorize content in ways that might not immediately to designers and developers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Rules of engagement&#8221; especially in terms of tagging, or &#8220;meta-tagging&#8221; may help with the delineation of content along lines that make sense to users, and provide for the evolution of the content, as well as the exercise of tagging itself. The secret comes in providing direction without being so prescriptive that one undercuts creativity in the use (and tagging) of resources.</p>
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