Comments on: Web 2.0 nightmare, part 2: personal data http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/ social learning, open education, and petty battles with rivals over power and money... Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:24:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Judy Breck http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2214 Judy Breck Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:06:02 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2214 Brian, here is a response I just posted on Howard Rheingold's SmartMobs.com: http://www.smartmobs.com/2009/01/22/let-students-decide-on-smart-mob-tools/ The world needs to know what is happening inside academia -- ways where they do not connect with the digital age. In my view that is the number one problem with education today, as I rant about on GoldenSwamp.com. Keep up the good work -- and don't give up! Brian, here is a response I just posted on Howard Rheingold’s SmartMobs.com:
http://www.smartmobs.com/2009/01/22/let-students-decide-on-smart-mob-tools/

The world needs to know what is happening inside academia — ways where they do not connect with the digital age. In my view that is the number one problem with education today, as I rant about on GoldenSwamp.com.

Keep up the good work — and don’t give up!

]]> By: Judy Breck http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2213 Judy Breck Thu, 22 Jan 2009 14:03:13 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2213 Brian, here is a response I just posted on Howard Rheingold's SmartMobs.com: http://www.smartmobs.com/2009/01/22/let-students-decide-on-smart-mob-tools/ The world needs to know what is happening inside academia -- ways where they do not connect with the digital age. In my view that is the number one problem with education today, as I rant about on GoldenSwamp.com. Keep up the good work -- and don't give up! Brian, here is a response I just posted on Howard Rheingold’s SmartMobs.com:
http://www.smartmobs.com/2009/01/22/let-students-decide-on-smart-mob-tools/

The world needs to know what is happening inside academia — ways where they do not connect with the digital age. In my view that is the number one problem with education today, as I rant about on GoldenSwamp.com.

Keep up the good work — and don’t give up!

]]> By: Leigh Blackall http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2216 Leigh Blackall Wed, 21 Jan 2009 02:06:23 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2216 Don't those same Canadian education shelters issue students with user names and email addresses. COuldn't a Canadian teacher encourage her students to use "fake" emails and avatar names, similar (but instead of) the shelter giving them fake emails and avatar student numbers? That way the shelter (and teacher) would be playing a protective role. The next challenge is how to protect IP addresses.. not a problem inside the shelter's network.. but the student's home is a bit harder. Don’t those same Canadian education shelters issue students with user names and email addresses. COuldn’t a Canadian teacher encourage her students to use “fake” emails and avatar names, similar (but instead of) the shelter giving them fake emails and avatar student numbers?

That way the shelter (and teacher) would be playing a protective role. The next challenge is how to protect IP addresses.. not a problem inside the shelter’s network.. but the student’s home is a bit harder.

]]> By: Clint Lalonde http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2215 Clint Lalonde Tue, 20 Jan 2009 23:14:36 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2215 We had our lawyers deal with this last year. Their solution? Get students to sign off an informed consent form. As long as we got signed consent from students, we were okay. So now faculty who wish to use US hosted solutions need to get their students to sign this horrible, legal document outlining the risks. It does tend to generate a lot of needless FUD and, as a result, many faculty pass on hosted solutions. There are workarounds (fake email accounts, a single account for all students in a class, etc), depending on circumstance. Some services (like PBwiki) will even generate anonymous accounts for students, so providers are aware that educators have issue with getting students to give up personal information. But workarounds kinda go against the whole open and transparent spirit. I wish I understood the OpenID concept a bit more, but I can't help but think that since OpenID has the potential to be an even more identifiable mark than an email address, legislation on how we get students to use their OpenID (should it ever come to this point) might be even more restrictive than how we get them to use their email address. Which is more valuable in terms of protecting someones privacy - an email address or their OpenID? We had our lawyers deal with this last year. Their solution? Get students to sign off an informed consent form. As long as we got signed consent from students, we were okay. So now faculty who wish to use US hosted solutions need to get their students to sign this horrible, legal document outlining the risks. It does tend to generate a lot of needless FUD and, as a result, many faculty pass on hosted solutions.

There are workarounds (fake email accounts, a single account for all students in a class, etc), depending on circumstance. Some services (like PBwiki) will even generate anonymous accounts for students, so providers are aware that educators have issue with getting students to give up personal information. But workarounds kinda go against the whole open and transparent spirit.

I wish I understood the OpenID concept a bit more, but I can’t help but think that since OpenID has the potential to be an even more identifiable mark than an email address, legislation on how we get students to use their OpenID (should it ever come to this point) might be even more restrictive than how we get them to use their email address. Which is more valuable in terms of protecting someones privacy – an email address or their OpenID?

]]> By: Jeff Longland http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2205 Jeff Longland Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:10:28 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2205 As Brian mentioned, the issue is the storage of personally identifiable information on US servers. The content can be stored in the US so long as it cannot be correlated to an individual. I've been working with iParadigms to re-work their Turnitin integration to be privacy conscious - it's no easy task. I will soon be bald. Some institutions would prefer that no identifiable information leave the campus walls regardless of hosting in Canada or the US. Given that this is the age of Web 2.0, web services, SOA, etc. - I don't see this as being impossible. The challenge is convincing content/tool/service providers that this is a valid issue worthy of resources. Namely, what do they stand to gain by making privacy changes - furthermore, how to maintain functionality and address the privacy concerns. I suppose OpenID could be used to some extent as a proxy to obscure an individual's identity? As Brian mentioned, the issue is the storage of personally identifiable information on US servers. The content can be stored in the US so long as it cannot be correlated to an individual. I’ve been working with iParadigms to re-work their Turnitin integration to be privacy conscious – it’s no easy task. I will soon be bald.

Some institutions would prefer that no identifiable information leave the campus walls regardless of hosting in Canada or the US. Given that this is the age of Web 2.0, web services, SOA, etc. – I don’t see this as being impossible. The challenge is convincing content/tool/service providers that this is a valid issue worthy of resources. Namely, what do they stand to gain by making privacy changes – furthermore, how to maintain functionality and address the privacy concerns.

I suppose OpenID could be used to some extent as a proxy to obscure an individual’s identity?

]]> By: WalKnDude http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2212 WalKnDude Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:42:03 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2212 Open ID is the Internet 'V Chip'. Open ID is the Internet ‘V Chip’.

]]> By: WalKnDude http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2211 WalKnDude Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:39:12 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2211 Google. Google.

]]> By: WalKnDude http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2210 WalKnDude Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:38:19 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2210 30,000 plus posts. for TOS of some israeli traitor company. done by Americans for a piss ass pay check. 30,000 plus posts.
for TOS of some israeli traitor company.
done by Americans for a piss ass pay check.

]]> By: Brian http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2209 Brian Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:37:12 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2209 "They"...? “They”…?

]]> By: WalKnDude http://blogs.ubc.ca/brian/2009/01/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/comment-page-1/#comment-2208 WalKnDude Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:35:25 +0000 http://migrator.rab.olt.ubc.ca/brian2/2009/01/14/web-20-nightmare-part-2-personal-data/#comment-2208 They deleted a year of my work, 20+ hours a day, over many many websites. Simply by deleting my 'Open ID'. They deleted a year of my work, 20+ hours a day, over many many websites.

Simply by deleting my ‘Open ID’.

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