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Meet Nathan, a combination of speech-to-text chatbots like Siri and AI research engines like Chat GPT. Coupled with the app’s ability to collect and present speech, photos, and videos, this app will do it all for students looking to explore a new subject area.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n

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00;00;00;00 - 00;00;00;18\nHello, everyone.\n\n00;00;00;18 - 00;00;01;21\nMy name is Kevin Dontas,\n\n00;00;01;21 - 00;00;05;09\nand I'm a student in the Master's\nof Educational Technology program at UBC.\n\n00;00;05;23 - 00;00;07;18\nI've been a professional educator\nfor the last eight\n\n00;00;07;18 - 00;00;10;25\nyears, and I have attended the University\nof Western Ontario for their media,\n\n00;00;10;25 - 00;00;13;23\ninformation and Technoculture program\nin my undergrad.\n\n00;00;13;23 - 00;00;17;05\nAt the moment, I'm taking a class\nin mobile and open learning, and today\n\n00;00;17;05 - 00;00;21;04\nI will be hosting a podcast to explore\nforecasted technologies of the future.\n\n00;00;21;22 - 00;00;25;02\nWith me, today is another long term\nprofessional educator and excitingly\n\n00;00;25;02 - 00;00;27;23\nenough,\nmy brother, Kris Dontas. Hello, Kevin.\n\n00;00;27;23 - 00;00;31;17\nHi. Kris, why don't you tell us a bit\nabout yourself before we begin?\n\n00;00;31;21 - 00;00;32;03\nYeah.\n\n00;00;32;03 - 00;00;35;27\nI've been teaching for, roughly\nnine years here in the same school\n\n00;00;35;27 - 00;00;37;07\nin Whistler British Columbia.\n\n00;00;37;07 - 00;00;41;11\nmy classroom is just filled\nwith technology of all sorts\n\n00;00;41;11 - 00;00;46;08\nfrom photography, filmmaking, coding,\nPhotoshop, just a strong pedagogy\n\n00;00;46;08 - 00;00;50;15\nand, inquiry based and, technology\nlearning within the classroom.\n\n00;00;50;22 - 00;00;51;12\nAwesome.\n\n00;00;51;12 - 00;00;55;06\nSo to summarize, you have an amazing\nskill set and experience educating\n\n00;00;55;06 - 00;00;57;00\nsuccessfully with technology\nin the classroom.\n\n00;00;57;00 - 00;00;58;23\nYes, absolutely. Thanks.\n\n00;00;58;23 - 00;01;01;29\nwell, thank you, Kris, for helping me\nhost this podcast today.\n\n00;01;02;07 - 00;01;05;24\nnow, we've been doing some discussing\nalready as to what prospective\n\n00;01;05;24 - 00;01;08;29\nfuture aspect of mobile technology\nmight be around the corner.\n\n00;01;09;11 - 00;01;12;15\nAnd we both agreed that one,\nwhich has not been realized yet,\n\n00;01;12;15 - 00;01;15;24\nbut one that it's not too far away\neither, has to do with the combination\n\n00;01;15;24 - 00;01;18;24\nof two existing technologies,\nSiri and ChatGPT.\n\n00;01;19;12 - 00;01;23;18\nSo think in the classroom, the combination\nof a conversational search engine\n\n00;01;23;18 - 00;01;27;27\nlike Siri with the competitive power\nof AI like ChatGPT.\n\n00;01;28;18 - 00;01;32;06\nSo my first question to you, Kris,\nif you had to name this application,\n\n00;01;32;06 - 00;01;33;29\nwhat do you think you might call it?\n\n00;01;33;29 - 00;01;37;28\nWell, if we're coming from Alexa and Siri,\nI think we land on Nathan.\n\n00;01;38;14 - 00;01;39;20\nOkay. I like it.\n\n00;01;40;27 - 00;01;41;17\nKris, could you\n\n00;01;41;17 - 00;01;45;13\nexplain to the average teacher\nwhat would Nathan do for students?\n\n00;01;45;21 - 00;01;47;05\nIn the simplest sense.\n\n00;01;47;05 - 00;01;50;28\nNathan is a downloadable application,\nfor mobile device,\n\n00;01;50;28 - 00;01;55;08\nin which students can have a conversation\nwith a research engine.\n\n00;01;55;08 - 00;01;59;03\nThey would be able to learn information\nas if they're talking to a human being.\n\n00;01;59;05 - 00;02;03;01\nHey, Nathan, what were some of the foods\nin ancient Japan?\n\n00;02;03;08 - 00;02;06;12\nwhereas in your regular classroom,\nyou know, the student put their hand\n\n00;02;06;12 - 00;02;09;12\nup to be running around,\nping pong around answering questions?\n\n00;02;09;12 - 00;02;11;20\nYes. Technology would replace\nthat, it would  be mobile\n\n00;02;11;20 - 00;02;14;09\nin their hand or their phone,\nwhatever kind of device that they have.\n\n00;02;14;09 - 00;02;17;03\nanswering and targeting\nthose quick questions to keep them on\n\n00;02;17;03 - 00;02;20;03\ntrack, problem solving on their own\nthroughout their their day.\n\n00;02;20;15 - 00;02;21;08\nCool.\n\n00;02;21;08 - 00;02;24;07\nOr punching in the question to Google\nwhere they get multiple web pages\n\n00;02;24;07 - 00;02;26;01\nand they're just like\nI don't know which one to choose.\n\n00;02;26;01 - 00;02;27;29\nI see so much text can get overwhelmed.\n\n00;02;27;29 - 00;02;29;11\nAnd then on top of that, too, it's\n\n00;02;29;11 - 00;02;32;03\nnot I'm going to type in a Google\nand then have to read more.\n\n00;02;32;03 - 00;02;35;15\nI mean, there's so many reluctant readers,\nespecially in our grade here,\n\n00;02;35;19 - 00;02;39;20\nto have that conversation piece\nwith that ChatGPT and Nathan,\n\n00;02;40;00 - 00;02;43;05\nmaking more that conversation is\nwhere we see it really being successful.\n\n00;02;43;13 - 00;02;44;01\nCool.\n\n00;02;44;01 - 00;02;46;28\nhave you heard of Globe Explorer's\nAI before?\n\n00;02;46;28 - 00;02;48;02\nno, I have not.\n\n00;02;48;02 - 00;02;51;12\nit is an AI search engine which shows\n\n00;02;51;12 - 00;02;54;25\npictures, to help you understand\nwhat's going on.\n\n00;02;54;26 - 00;02;56;19\nSo I have another question,\nwhich would be,\n\n00;02;56;19 - 00;02;59;25\ndo you think that this application\nshowing pictures\n\n00;02;59;25 - 00;03;03;29\nand possibly even videos would be helpful\nfor students in their research?\n\n00;03;04;00 - 00;03;04;15\nAbsolutely.\n\n00;03;04;15 - 00;03;09;08\nI mean, to to see, read and hear what you\nwhat information you need to to learn.\n\n00;03;09;08 - 00;03;10;25\nIt's just it's just so powerful to have.\n\n00;03;10;25 - 00;03;12;15\nThat would be amazing. Awesome.\n\n00;03;12;15 - 00;03;15;07\nSo on the whole,\ndo you think this would help or hinder\n\n00;03;15;07 - 00;03;17;06\nstudent research and project creation?\n\n00;03;17;06 - 00;03;18;19\nOh, I think it would only help.\n\n00;03;18;19 - 00;03;22;16\njust the amount of time\nthat students sit and wait\n\n00;03;22;16 - 00;03;23;29\nfor their questions to be answered\n\n00;03;23;29 - 00;03;26;29\nwhile the teacher, you know,\nthere's only one of them bumping around.\n\n00;03;27;00 - 00;03;31;07\nthis would target those quick questions\nto keep their pace going,\n\n00;03;31;07 - 00;03;32;14\nto keep their research going.\n\n00;03;32;14 - 00;03;34;15\nI just see it helping tremendously.\n\n00;03;34;15 - 00;03;37;27\nSo do you think at the end of a project\nthat teachers would be assessing\n\n00;03;37;27 - 00;03;43;19\ngenuine student research and learning,\nor simply a regurgitated Nathan response?\n\n00;03;44;00 - 00;03;45;05\nI mean, it's a good question.\n\n00;03;45;05 - 00;03;48;04\nI think Nathan's not built to ask.\n\n00;03;48;07 - 00;03;53;00\nNathan,\nplease write me an essay on ancient Japan.\n\n00;03;53;01 - 00;03;56;02\nIt's more of the targeted small questions.\n\n00;03;56;08 - 00;04;00;07\nSo the the skill, I mean, it's essentially\nreplacing and making research easier\n\n00;04;00;07 - 00;04;01;24\nfor those students\nwho have difficulty with it.\n\n00;04;01;24 - 00;04;04;13\nThey're still building the essay.\nThey're still doing the work.\n\n00;04;04;13 - 00;04;07;13\nThey're just accessing that information\nin a in a different way.\n\n00;04;07;27 - 00;04;08;22\nOkay. Awesome.\n\n00;04;08;22 - 00;04;13;00\nwhat do you think the biggest potential\nstrength of this application would be?\n\n00;04;13;12 - 00;04;14;14\nI think it's momentum.\n\n00;04;14;14 - 00;04;18;23\nI mean, seeing when students understand\nwhat's going on,\n\n00;04;18;23 - 00;04;19;28\nthey have that pace going.\n\n00;04;19;28 - 00;04;21;25\nThey're excited about, they're working on,\n\n00;04;21;25 - 00;04;23;25\nand then all of a sudden,\nto be hung up on a question\n\n00;04;23;25 - 00;04;26;09\nand lose that momentum,\nlose that confidence.\n\n00;04;26;09 - 00;04;29;15\nThe idea of Nathan\nwould be to keep confidence high\n\n00;04;29;21 - 00;04;32;29\nadding a powerful tool\nto their learning toolbox,\n\n00;04;32;29 - 00;04;35;26\nwhich allows them to problem\nsolve on their own,\n\n00;04;35;26 - 00;04;38;25\nasking the specific questions\nthat they need for whatever project\n\n00;04;38;25 - 00;04;40;03\nthey're currently doing.\n\n00;04;40;03 - 00;04;42;27\nI also agree,\nI think that an app like this\n\n00;04;42;27 - 00;04;47;01\nwould encourage\nthe question generating process for them\n\n00;04;47;01 - 00;04;51;17\nand encourage students to ask even deeper\nprobing questions rather than the surface\n\n00;04;51;17 - 00;04;55;14\nlevel ones that might restrict them\non a regular Google search?\n\n00;04;55;18 - 00;04;58;11\nit would be like,\nlike a one on one teacher.\n\n00;04;58;11 - 00;04;59;25\nAnd in a way, yeah, pretty much.\n\n00;04;59;25 - 00;05;01;13\nYeah. That's helping with visuals and\n\n00;05;02;19 - 00;05;03;29\nstuff like that.\n\n00;05;03;29 - 00;05;05;27\nWhat would you have to say\nabout one of the weaknesses\n\n00;05;05;27 - 00;05;09;24\nbeing hallucinations\nin AI generative information?\n\n00;05;09;24 - 00;05;13;18\nAnd for those who don't know\nwhat hallucinations are, they are the,\n\n00;05;13;18 - 00;05;16;18\nposing of information\nthat is not factual.\n\n00;05;16;18 - 00;05;21;27\nThey are, imagined examples\nthat don't actually exist.\n\n00;05;21;29 - 00;05;24;26\nI guess there's two different applications\nfor Nathan.\n\n00;05;24;26 - 00;05;28;14\none is a quick conversational search tool.\n\n00;05;28;21 - 00;05;30;06\nHey, Nathan. What's that? It out of data.\n\n00;05;30;06 - 00;05;31;10\nOh, well, it's da da da da da.\n\n00;05;31;10 - 00;05;35;18\nAnd it's a quick answer\nthat might not be used in research.\n\n00;05;35;19 - 00;05;37;11\nIt's just you need quick information.\n\n00;05;37;11 - 00;05;40;10\nThe flip side is you're writing\na research paper, and you're using\n\n00;05;40;10 - 00;05;43;09\nNathan\nto provide a summary or information.\n\n00;05;43;18 - 00;05;46;11\nI mean,\nwe teach about finding credible sources.\n\n00;05;46;11 - 00;05;47;24\nWe teach about using references.\n\n00;05;47;24 - 00;05;51;01\nNathan, ideally would provide sources\nwhere the information is coming from.\n\n00;05;51;06 - 00;05;54;02\nThose students at higher levels\nshould be fact checking.\n\n00;05;54;02 - 00;05;56;27\nI don't see much of a difference between\n\n00;05;56;27 - 00;06;01;05\nusing an online web search\nlike Google versus Nathan.\n\n00;06;01;05 - 00;06;04;06\nIf we're going to be if you're going to be\nassessing in the same similar way.\n\n00;06;04;21 - 00;06;05;18\nAll right.\n\n00;06;05;18 - 00;06;08;26\nWell, Kris, thank you so much\nfor helping me host this podcast again.\n\n00;06;08;26 - 00;06;09;14\nAnd to everybody\n\n00;06;09;14 - 00;06;12;24\nwho's listening out there,\nI hope you are looking forward to Nathan.\n\n00;06;13;20 - 00;06;14;22\nhitting the market soon.\n\n00;06;14;22 - 00;06;17;03\nHitting the shelves soon.\nThank you so much, everybody.\n<\/pre>\n<\/div><\/div>\n\n\n\n
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