I really enjoyed this read. I like that Burgos-Debray stayed true to Rigoberta’s words and lived experience through her transcription of the tapes, modifying very little. I listened to sections of the audiobook as well; hearing the words aloud was very powerful, and I can only imagine what it was like to sit in the same room as Rigoberta as she shared her story. No wonder they cultivated an important trust and camaraderie in the process.
There is a ton packed into this novel, but I’m going to hone in on a section I found super interesting—Rigoberta and her mother’s thoughts on machismo (I’m not sure if the word should be italicised, but it was in the book, so I’ll stick with it) and the role of women in Guatemala. She believes, “men [aren’t] to blame for machismo, and women [aren’t] to blame for machismo, but that it was part of the whole society” (216). Later, Rigoberta goes on to say, “it would be feeding machismo to set up an organisation for women only, since it would mean separating women’s work from men’s work. […] What is the point of educating women if men aren’t there to contribute to the apprenticeship and learn as well? […] We must fight as equals” (222). I don’t have a fully fleshed out opinion as to whether there should or shouldn’t be organisations for women only in Guatemala; since I know very little about the country or the culture, it doesn’t seem right to form an opinion from an uninformed background. However, I like what Rigoberta has to say about men and women working together to puzzle through the concept of machismo, and contribute their perspectives on one another’s respective roles. From what I’ve observed in Western culture—especially in recent years as I have a thirteen year old brother whom I’ve watched grow personally and academically from an adult standpoint—I think more care is being put into ensuring young women are learning how to embrace their voices and advocate for themselves, and more dialogue regarding boundaries and consent is entering quotidian life. However, I notice that there is still a separation between young men and women. For instance, my brother’s school still divides boys and girls when it comes to sex education and puberty talks; it’s vital we educate children on the functions of both AFAB and AMAB bodies, otherwise they may grow to fear not only their one but each other’s bodies or feel ashamed to ask questions or explore gender identity and expression when encouraged to think in such binary terms. Perhaps this is not what Rigoberta meant when she said “we must fight as equals”, but I think an important step to working as a unit is eradicating any lingering fears in regard to airing perspectives and asking questions to better understand different viewpoints.
Rigoberta’s mother stood out to me as an important female figure in the novel. She believe “a woman should learn her womanly occupation” (219), and she, along with many other women, play a large part in the struggle for Indigenous justice and rights. She believes in embracing a woman’s role as a homemaker of sorts, but also of standing alongside men in the fight for Indigenous sovereignty. Her strength is demonstrated especially when “she was capable of seeing her son even as he was dying and doing everything she could to save him” (219). If I can make a comparison, she sort of reminds me of One Hundred Year’s Úrsula in her extreme resilience and stoicism in the face of immense suffering, while continuing to uphold her values as a wife and mother.
What did you think of what Rigoberta and her mother have to say about machismo?
Hi Neko,
An interesting conversation about machismo and how it should be approached.
I think Rigoberta makes a good point saying that we should “fight as equals,” for if only women are fighting against, say, harmful societally engrained norms, then it would be an incredible upheaval and potentially a fruitless venture. I agree that for, say, women to fight against machismo by themselves, they would need to separate themselves completely from work, home life, etc, where instances of machismo come up, and this separation may actually stunt progression towards changing things.
For example – those disenfranchised with political systems, I believe, should not just ‘check out’ from the institution. They should attempt to make it better, engage with it maximally, and hopefully positive change can come from it. Same with Rigoberta’s point of view – women and men together, ideally, should engage with the systems/powers that be whole-heartedly, and in the process, there can be the genuine realization of societal shortcomings, and hopefully the honest push towards carving out a better future.
I applaud Rigoberta, in that she has endured the plight of machismo directly, and the many systems in which it is pertinent, and she is now set on activism and shedding light on such an issue. It’s from her real experiences throughout her life that she motivates her actions for change. She does not fight for what she does not believe in, and more specifically, she does not fight for what she does not have first-hand knowledge of, which I think makes her quite an effective model/agent for change.
Thanks Neko,
Curtis HR
Actually this is not a novel but a testimony, and that changes our way of reading what we find in its pages. In fact, one of the issues touched on by Dr. Beasley-Murray is the problem of the “truth” of this story, which can help us to wonder about the role that Burgos-Debray had in the creation of this book. In fact, there was a dispute between these two women about the authorship of the book, and what is said in it may be the result of several voices that slip between the words of this testimonio.
Great question! I believe there was an excerpt in the book where Menchú directly addresses machismo. She had an interesting take, basically saying that the ills of machismo had to be addressed by the whole society, not just men. I’m not sure I agree with the origins of machismo, but I definitely agree with the assertion that machismo negatively affects everyone.