I have noticed a trend in the (very few) M.E.T courses that I have taken, that is people always citing the opinions of others, and not actually giving their own. It is like we are a bit insecure (due to being students I guess) or afraid to post our opinions, without the “backing” of a more learned individual (in most cases a PhD, or researcher). I think this does have a lot to do with guidelines given for participation (as most courses have a participation element).
I personally believe being forced into citing inhibits the creativity and critical thinking of students (in this case us). It is like we are just following a rubric and ticking off boxes instead of really getting at what the readings mean to us. Lets face it, we are all individuals with a lot to say (given most of us are teachers, and that is usually quite a vocal subset of society!). I would really prefer reading what the author of the post truly thinks, rather than someone completely removed from the discussion.
I guess I am saying that we should never feel afraid to voice our opinion our of “fear” of looking less academic. In the end we are all here to learn and should feel completely open to express whatever is on our minds.
david nelson
June 15, 2018 — 2:14 pm
Hey Michael,
I totally agree with you! Your post makes me think about an undergraduate class that I had where my reflective essay had “Sources?” written across every page.
Thinking about this briefly I think my side points to the fact that I want to be able to back up my opinion with someone else’s to make it sound more relevant and correct. I have also found that to make my writing seem more “academic” I should include more references to match up with others posts who seem to be reading a lot more than I do.
Alicia Lok-Malek
June 16, 2018 — 8:32 am
Hi Michael – thanks for giving voice to this!
I agree that our own thoughts and experience should be equally valuable. Academic support and backing-up of arguments is important but I agree that in order to make meaning and add creativity, individuals and groups must dialogue from a more authentic place. In this case, an authentic place is our own voices.
kristie dewald
June 16, 2018 — 7:58 pm
Thanks, Michael. I too appreciate this post. This is my second course in the MET program, but the first one that has required discussion posts. I have been struggling with the “academic” slant required of the comments. What is somewhat interesting to me is that if we were together in a physical classroom discussing the readings, we would not be referencing other sources, nor formally citing the author that sparked our ideas. Is this a demonstration of a difference between oral and written “traditions”?
michael yates
June 23, 2018 — 9:26 am
All excellent points! I wonder if you are in an in-class discussion session (at the masters level) you stop what you are saying to cite what someone else has said. Just like David said I think we feel we must have “back up” in order to provide an opinion.
I guess that is one of the limitations of online learning, because it is written it can be scrutinized by both the author and instructor.
michael cebuliak
July 6, 2018 — 11:18 pm
Michael, I loved your post because it’s so anti-establishment and universities are so, well…establishment. It’s nice to fling a wrench into the cogs of academia because so much of what they seemingly do is make us turn our backs on our past, our people, and try to make us into someone who we may not always want to be.
See, I was a dirty clothed, foul mouthed, working class kid from blue collar parents and I too am seemingly kissing butt in my peer responses by “ticking off boxes,” minding my p’s and q’s and acknowledging the significance of other members of an exclusive club by only citing their work. Just once I would love to cite the hometown drunk or pothead as an authority, because, just like in so many of Shakespeare’s works, they often say some pretty clever things. But, I can’t because they don’t hang in the same circles as the people who are ultimately responsible for maintaining academic integrity within the university and it seems that those people always want to see some prestigious degree in order to give someone’s voice credence. I wonder if these same people would find it absolutely baffling how some of the most influential people of our times had no degree and really no formal education. What are the Beatles credentials? How about the biblical disciples? Esteemed American writer Mark Twain? Einstein was a high school dropout. A formal education doesn’t always characterize one as an authority. So, why then is it that I have to substantiate my argument with works that are primarily a product of institutions? Why can’t my argument stand on its own two feet? Why can’t it stand in part on the cultural, and individual experiential, foundation of my history outside of my formal education? I agree that this may be substantially more difficult, but it is not impossible. I also agree that one should acknowledge the foundation of their long established academic community but what if my academic foundation is significantly a product from experiences and people outside of institutionalized education?
I have to say, I find it all rather ironic considering our exposure in this program to the push for the democratization of knowledge that is evident in efforts such as Wikipedia. Here seemingly a degree, or other such institutional credentials, are no longer as significant as is a consensus amongst others in the community. Willinsky (2002) in “Education and democracy: the missing link may be ours” also made a compelling argument for the democratization of scholarly articles but this argument was not so much in respect to the legitimacy of authorship as in support for the dissemination, and democratization, of scholarly text. Nonetheless, in the true spirit of democracy, could one without academic credentials author a work based on a scholarly foundation and actually be seen as credible, if they existed outside the institutions of respected universities? In the interest of a universities’ self preservation, I don’t think it could happen. If our course materials were made public and someone outside the university produced a stellar project would the university promote it in the interest of greater understanding and knowledge? I don’t think so. See, any work from a university is an advertisement for the university much like our projects exists in cyberspace as advertisements for the MET program presumably lending credence to the university and its product. If it was known that one could achieve similar results without paying the tuition, this of course wouldn’t be in the universities’ best interest. So, in essence I don’t really think there is an institutional interest in the democratization of knowledge and its in the best interest of academic institutions throughout the world to be seen as having a monopoly on what can be seen as authoritative.
One should remember that this wasn’t always the case. In respect to the Oxford English Dictionary, and as noted in our readings, the agreed upon process for the finding the origins of words was a crowd sourced project, whereby volunteers found quotations illustrating the first usage of a particular word. This hardly seems authoritative as a scholarly foundation was seemingly built upon the work of mere amateurs, but as noted earlier those whose knowledge is founded outside of academic institutions can certainly be knowledgeable and credible. Maybe it’s time we go back to being more old school.
Sources:
Absolutely everything I encountered that preceded this writing.
michael yates
July 9, 2018 — 4:20 pm
This is an excellent post, but you missed three commas and your bibliography didn’t conform to the APA!
I like that you made the very valuable point and that is Academia actually limits their own application to reality, by being too academic.
I can honestly say I will never read anything Ong writes again, and the reading list was not a plus in this course. But the informal dialogue and exposure to “blogging” definitely was, plus the accessibility of the instructor (MatterMost is a great tool for communication)! I also enjoyed Assignment 2 because it afforded me an opportunity to learn history in an appropriate way (talking to someone who was around back then!).
I guess we have all taken this program to progress, either intellectually or professionally. I personally will not cite a darn thing on an informal blog post, but I will certainly give credit to those that do. Blogs are a medium to air your thoughts to a certain cohort of the population and last I checked everyone has opinions and everyone else’s stinks!
Cathy Miyagi
July 8, 2018 — 8:06 pm
Though I quickly recognized the academic nature of this course, I totally agree with you. Thanks for your honesty and authenticity.
I’ve always believed that the academic realm is a place of free speech, and often feel we’re discouraged from talking about difficult, multi-layered topics to avoid what’s necessarily uncomfortable.
In my line of work as a journalist, writer, or producer in a competitive media market, trolling for story pitches on social media is an encouraged activity. It’s astonishing how people share so much of themselves and their opinions on Facebook or Twitter. BUT when a journalist reaches out to them, the potential story subjects chicken out. Checking our sources is the equivalent to research papers. Not doing so can be described as “fake news” which is the equivalent of academic misconduct!
I find it so fascinating how we speak of creative commons licensing in the academic realm, yet the data privacy or intellectual property argument are what’s used to define unnecessary territorialism of ideas that quite frankly aren’t even that profound or original!
Anonymous
August 4, 2018 — 11:04 pm
Thanks a lot for your post, Michael! I agree with you that ‘being academic’ in the posts might not reflect our personal point of view on the subject, but on the other hand, I feel like I don’t have enough expertise on quite a lot of topics (touched upon this course, for example). What I mean by this is I could probably have formed my own opinion, but I am scared to predict how many years of research I will have to devote to one particular question… I guess the idea of online courses is partially to grasp as much as you can within a short period of time and yes, form your opinion mostly based on someone else’s research. To be honest, I don’t feel intimidated by the fact that I admit not having enough knowledge and ‘citing’ and ‘quoting’ someone else’s research results. Natallia
natallia kuzmich
August 4, 2018 — 11:09 pm
Thanks a lot for your post, Michael! I agree with you that ‘being academic’ in the posts might not reflect our personal point of view on the subject, but on the other hand, I feel like I don’t have enough expertise on quite a lot of topics (touched upon this course, for example). What I mean by this is I could probably have formed my own opinion, but I am scared to predict how many years of research I will have to devote to one particular question… I guess the idea of online courses is partially to grasp as much as you can within a short period of time and yes, form your opinion mostly based on someone else’s research. To be honest, I don’t feel intimidated by the fact that I admit not having enough knowledge and ‘citing’ and ‘quoting’ someone else’s research results. Natallia
sally bourque
August 5, 2018 — 9:08 am
Hi Michael and fellow commentors,
I think my issue with both courses I happen to be taking this semester is that there was little space for true reflection and discussion. That is, there were requirements in the grading schemes of both activities for citations, which completely changes the way I engage with the content. Instead of thinking about ‘what I think’, I’m instead focused on accurately synthesizing and connecting what other people think. This is valuable, but can’t there be some graded activities where citations are required and some where they are not? I sometimes feel like our opinions are professionals are not truly valued, yet I often learn the most in these courses from my extremely intelligent and fascinating classmates.
I was also hyper aware of how educators (particularly educational researchers, it seems) live in a bit of an echo-chamber, which is the antithesis of innovation and how I like to think about using technology.
For all it may seem like I’m complaining, I think this has been one of my favourite courses in MET so far (and it’s # 6). I never thought about language and writing as a technology before, nor contemplated the multi-literacies perspective with the same depth.