El Pueblo as Protagonist

I really enjoyed … y no se lo trago la tierra. The anecdotes are well written individually, with their tales of maturation from childhood and the ironic and heartbreaking situations the characters find themselves in, but the way that Rivera weaves them all together is masterfully done. It took me awhile to appreciate the structure of the book because at first all I could see was a collection of unrelated fragments. At first the protagonist feels that he had lost a year, and he feels unsettled and disoriented, but at the end he is at peace because “se dio cuenta de que en realidad no había perdido nada.” The book is a process through which Rivera draws upon the experiences of many fictional characters to describe the authentic Chicano experience. This series of random events, when seen together at a distance, form a portrait of a people.

Given the importance of this narrative technique, can we even say that the boy is the central character? We do not even know his name. But we do know the names of Ramon and Juanita, the quarreling lovers, the children of the unfortunate Garcia family, Chuy who died at war. We also hear their voices – the book is largely composed of criss-crossing conversations, fragments of dialogue by unknown speakers, stories related second-hand by gossiping neighbors. The events in the book are the collective life of el pueblo and they are narrated through its many voices. There are many identities and attitudes within this collective, this much is clear from the penultimate chapter when we overhear the private thoughts of the stranded migrants. Some angrily curse their situation and others let their thoughts wander peacefully – you can see both resignation and rebellion, but always hope of something better. I’ve never read a book where you could say that an entire group was the protagonist instead of a single character. Could anyone give me any other examples of books written this way?

Riviera part 2

Although i was COMPLETELY lost during the part of the book, the end was worth all the confusion. The non-chronological order of the book revealed to us how confused the boy was himself and I was certainly able to relate due to the fact that I was utterly confused myself. However, through the simple language and fragmented stories it made the entire meaning of the novel more powerful. Through the eyes of a child we can see the boys’ reactions added in with what we know as young adults. The simplicity put in plain view how the campesinos were being mistreated and how disease and poverty affected the young boy’s mental state.

The title has always fascinated me because, before reading the book, it seemed as though this was a children’s novel so I thought that fantasy would some how be incorporated. Then after reading the background of the author, I thought that the earth “devouring” someone perhaps referred to the physical and natural disasters that Mexican workers had to face everyday working on the earth. However, it was completely different! “…y no se lo trago la tierra” referred to the young boy who was deeply concerned about what would happen to him if he were to speak blasphemy against God. Overall this book helped me see that despite the hardships that the chicanos faced, such as poverty, sickness and mistreatment, they still continued to hope for “the arrival” of their people as a whole

The movie compared to the book

Algo que destacó en la película era el caso de las mujeres. el libre no nos describe tanto la vida de mujeres en la vida chicana. Desde que yo recuerdo, una vez la madre va al centro para comprar regalos, y le tratan mal y vuele a casa mareada de miedo y terror, y su esposo le consuela deciendo que le acompañara al centro o que no hace falta que ella vaya de compras sola! Esa era la solución, y la madre me parecío poco sólido, o incapaz. 

Pero creo que la Pali hace un buen trabajo mostrando un poco la vida de las mujeres chicanas. Las cosas que se tienen que encarar, la sanidad, sin tubería, tadas las noches solas mientras su esposo esta en el bar o reunion con los otros trabajadores… No pueden alimentar los niños porque los hombres hacen huelga. 
Sobretodo, el hecho que ellas no tienes voz. Sus preocupaciones y sufrimientos no importa. Ellas quieren apoyar los hombres y tener parte o solidaridad con los problemas, pero en el principio vemos que obviamente, los hombres no dejan a las mujeres participar.
El tratamiento del padre con la madre sobre el radio y huelga demustra la actitud de los hombres hacia las mujeres: que ellas no saben nada de la vida dura y real, y ni lo pueden entender.
La pelí mustra la doble opressión de la mujeres chicanas. No solo son chicanos, pero además MUJERES! DOBLE OPRESIÓN! 

Movie

Just a quick note:

i actually really enjoyed the movie last class and am looking forward to finishing it on monday.  ya okay so it was kind of corny but it’s just dated and the message behind the movie was clear and passionately delivered.  
also am enjoying the movie on account of the reading by Rivera. it really puts all the ‘stories’ into a more emotional perspective; although the book is beautifully written, there is obviously a different effect when you see and hear someone delivering a speech for their rights.
anyways, i’m frantically studying for midterms so i just thought i’d put in some quick input on last class!

Tomas Rivera # 2

Well, it’s over, and although I thought it was going to be a fairly easy read, like most of us did in the beginning, I think we’ve realized that this is one more Rivera that shocks and surprises us. In general I quite dislike reading novels that are confusing on the whole, and then magically come together at the end. This one a slight exception, because throughout, despite the fact that I didn’t quite know how everything was going to add up, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Acabo de darme cuenta que debo escribir en espanol. Bueno, me gusto mucho el estillo de Rivera. La primera cosa de su estillo es que usa muchisimos “Mexicanismos” o sea que usa palabras que la gente de la calle se usa en Mexico. Muchas palabras y frases que me hacen reir y pensar de Mexico, y las temas sociales de la vida diara. Como dije en clase, estoy super-seguro de que ese libro fue la exprecion de sus ideas sobre su vida, y las experiencias que tenia Rivera durante su ninez viviendo entre los Estados Unidos y Mexico.

La pura verdad es que no tengo muchos pensamientos ni opiniones muy fuertes sobre esa historia. Como ya dije, me gusta mucho el estillo de Rivera, los cuentitos en la novel fueron interesantes y algunos tratan de temas muy fuertes y emocionales. Pero en fin me siento como tengo que reflexionar todavia mas para entender bien el menaje de Rivera. Tengo ganas de oir lo que opinan ustedes en clase. Que tal de la novel y su structura? Tal vez estoy perezoso…no se.

P.D. Disculpame…escribi sin acentos.

Rivera II

   I just read the last post on the class blog, and had to laugh out loud. I too am on my way out to the VIFF, although not to see the film on border relations. Perhaps it would have been fitting though…

  Finishing the Rivera book was a different experience than with most novels, there is little conclusive about the ending. Overall, I think that this is fitting with the nature of the text, having little chronological narrative quality. It did, however, set a united tone with connecting the individual stories around common themes. 
  Since I finished the book, I went on to read ‘How the García Girls Lost Their Accents’ by Julia Alvarez. Interestingly, both of these novels employ an unorthodox method of story telling. In Rivera’s text, the viewpoint remains from that of a young boy but the chronology is disordered. In contrast, Alvarez writes from a number of perspectives but the order remains consistently reverse. 
   Personally, I preferred Alvarez’s style over Rivera’s because I found her narrative structure flowed better and communicated her points well.  While the way Rivera writes is interesting and made me think more thematically than in terms of plot points, I didn’t find it as engaging. Alvarez manipulated her diction and syntax based upon the perspective she was writing from, which I enjoyed as a writing style.  

Respuesta a blogdSarah

Me parece muy interesante lo que dices porque yo percibi casi lo opuesto. Para mi Garcilasco es mucho mas espanol que indigena y aunque ve a los Incas con admiracion creo que rechaza radicalmente la religion indigena y algunos otros aspectos de su estilo de vida. Tambien pienso que el hecho de que Garcilasco halla decidido vivir en Espana por el resto de su vida es un clara muestra de su proferencia por la cultura europea.

in a few hours

Hey ya’ll,

I’ve read the rest of the book, but I’m about to go see a movie about border relations at the VIFF, and I think I can come up with some interesting parallels…the film is from Mexico, and it is called “The Infinite Border” or in Spanish “La Frontera Infinita”. You can see a trailer here : https://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=75C8ea77tiw.

I’ll give you a report soon!

…y no se lo tragó la tierra parte dos

Este libro era muy satisfacía a terminar.  El ritmo del segundo mitad del libro apresurado para mí y conectó los detalles que fueron dejados abierto.  El libro hizo un trabajo extraordinario de representer el desarrollo del cáracter del chico pequeño.  Estoy contento que Rivera entró la profundidad acerca de la religión.  Me gusta cómo que muestre que la iglesia tiene los problemas también y eso aún un chico puede ver que tiene los pecados también.  Sin embargo, aunque el chico figure esto fuera,  él todavía es vulnerable a la iglesia a causa de lo que ellos lo han enseñado.  Un ejemplo está en pagina 53.  “Bien, me podía imaginar lo que sería estar en el infierno para siempre.  Eso era todo lo que comprendía.”

Un otro tema que encontré interesante y efectivo fue que el autor ultilió inglés para monstrar el racismo hacía Mexicanos.  Hay muchos ejemplos dispersados a través del libro. Pero cuando yo estaba leyendo los pasajes que yo encontraba los pasajes a ser más poderoso a mí.  Creo que esta técnica de la escritura podría haber tocado una tema que no me sabe, o que Rivera queria transmitir con mayor énfasis.

hay muchos otros temas que Rivera habló de en este libro pero religión es mi favorita. En términos generales, muy bueno

…Y no se lo trago la tierra #2

I have to say, this has been my favourite book so far. Although I’be been finding it hard to express my feelings in spanish in class, the discussions we’ve been having are the reason why I wanted to take this class in the first place. As I read on and especially by watching the movie in class on friday, I’ve been getting into the mindset of the characters and the sort of suffering they encounter. I knwo that in my last blog I talked about being an immigrant as well and therefore somewhat understanding the position these people are framed in, I have to say this whole debacle is way more out of my world than I would’ve though. These immigrants are so inscribed with a label of what they can and can’t accomplish that they’ll never get out of this catch-22. They are treated like trash, and as if they should be grateful for the opportunities of work the Americans give them. However, what the Americans dont realize is that they should be the ones thanking the Mexicans. I really want to see that documentary mentioned in class about the “day without mexicans”, and I believe every American should too. What bothers me the most is that althought this book is supposed to be set int eh past and so is the movie, I dont feel like anythign has really changed. The problems they are encountering are a little outdated and I hope that those problems have already been solved for the immigrants (such as sanitation), but my belief is that they still struggle to this day with issues just as serious as those. In a world where equality and humanity is so stressed as qualities to strive for, I feel like they are only applied to those of the same colour skin as the ones in power. What is the point of equality if ony applied to a small percentage of the population?! I have heard it said that the U.S. spends more money on war than my helping its own people cope with life in their own country of residence. I think it’s time for whoever takes the seat of power in the states to really take these issues seriously and to not only improve the lives of the rich and powerful to back him/her in decisions, but to also look at those who have no power or standards of living. In this book, the mexicans are so stuck in a circle of poverty and loss because nobody is willing to help them change that. I wonder in Canada if there is any group that feels the way the americans feel in the states: undernumbered, ignored, unrespected. I for one think we are better off than the states but I’d hate to know that a distinct group of people is suffering like that just because of one unifying theme: the colour of their skin or nationality.