Ollanta Humala 30.88%
Alan García 24.57%
Lourdes Flores 23.44%
NOTE: ONPE’s website is providing more up-to-date information
Peru Election: Race To The Finish Line
Voto fuera (2)
5:00 P.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 85.34% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.87%
Alan García 24.65%
Lourdes Flores 23.52%
4:00 P.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 84.938% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.866%
Alan García 24.681%
Lourdes Flores 23.591%
2:00 P.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 84.54% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.85%
Alan García 24.70%
Lourdes Flores 23.60%
1:00 P.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 84.41% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.85%
Alan García 24.70%
Lourdes Flores 23.59%
12:10 P.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 84.30% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.86%
Alan García 24.69%
Lourdes Flores 23.60%
11:20 A.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 84.17% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.86%
Alan García 24.79%
Lourdes Flores 23.61%
10:20 A.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 83.96% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.84%
Alan García 24.70%
Lourdes Flores 23.63%
09:30 A.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 83.87% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.82%
Alan García 24.71%
Lourdes Flores 23.64%
09:00 A.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 83.52% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.85%
Alan García 24.62%
Lourdes Flores 23.70%
Martha Chavez 7.06%
Valentin Paniagua 5.80%
07:00 A.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 83.42% – Valid Votes
Ollanta Humala 30.84%
Alan García 24.62%
Lourdes Flores 23.71%
Las impugnaciones pueden definir segunda vuelta y postergarla
Correo, 11 de abril del 2006
Los expertos en temas electorales Fernando Tuesta, de la Universidad Católica, y Percy Medina, de Transparencia, afirmaron que ante el estrecho margen que separa a Alan García (APRA) de Lourdes Flores (UN) los “votos impugnados” podrían definir el pase a segunda vuelta y “retrasar” la fecha de ésta.
Tuesta señaló que aún no se puede hablar de triunfos, pues un acta impugnada puede contener –por ejemplo– 150 votos, que, ante la proximidad que hay entre los competidores, pueden definir quién pasa a competir con Ollanta Humala.
“Espero que los Jurados Electorales Especiales, que son los que resuelven impugnaciones, actúen con celeridad. Estamos en una situación límite de incertidumbre que el país no merece. Y es posible que se deba esperar al 100% para definir la elección”, señaló.
Por su parte, Medina coincidió con Tuesta en la importancia que adquieren las impugnaciones, y además señaló que éstas pueden “retrasar eventualmente” la segunda vuelta, posiblemente hasta fines de mayo o las primeras semanas de junio.
“La segunda vuelta debe convocarse luego de la proclama total de votos de la elección por el JNE”, explicó.
De otro lado, Medina explicó que una elección general, según nuestras leyes, puede ser anulada totalmente si es que la suma de votos blancos y viciados llega a los dos tercios del total. Sin embargo, precisó que en esta justa electoral no se ha llegado a tal grado “ni por asomo”. Los expertos en temas electorales Fernando Tuesta, de la Universidad Católica, y Percy Medina, de Transparencia, afirmaron que ante el estrecho margen que separa a Alan García (APRA) de Lourdes Flores (UN) los “votos impugnados” podrían definir el pase a segunda vuelta y “retrasar” la fecha de ésta.
Tuesta señaló que aún no se puede hablar de triunfos, pues un acta impugnada puede contener –por ejemplo– 150 votos, que, ante la proximidad que hay entre los competidores, pueden definir quién pasa a competir con Ollanta Humala.
“Espero que los Jurados Electorales Especiales, que son los que resuelven impugnaciones, actúen con celeridad. Estamos en una situación límite de incertidumbre que el país no merece. Y es posible que se deba esperar al 100% para definir la elección”, señaló.
Por su parte, Medina coincidió con Tuesta en la importancia que adquieren las impugnaciones, y además señaló que éstas pueden “retrasar eventualmente” la segunda vuelta, posiblemente hasta fines de mayo o las primeras semanas de junio.
“La segunda vuelta debe convocarse luego de la proclama total de votos de la elección por el JNE”, explicó.
De otro lado, Medina explicó que una elección general, según nuestras leyes, puede ser anulada totalmente si es que la suma de votos blancos y viciados llega a los dos tercios del total. Sin embargo, precisó que en esta justa electoral no se ha llegado a tal grado “ni por asomo”.
Rici
Fruit & Votes
Flores might still make it, but it seems unlikely. The preliminary results are slightly biased by the fact that the last ballots to be counted will be those cast outside of Peru. The exterior vote makes up 2.8% of Peru’s voting population, and is heavily biased towards the right.
It should be noted that rather more than 2.8% of Peruvians live outside of Peru. However, many of those are “undocumented” and are reluctant to register with the Peruvian embassy. (Some do, though, and there is no evidence I know of that the information is leaked. However, it’s easy to understand the reluctance.) On the other hand, Peruvian law does not allow mail-in or proxy votes, so in order to vote you have to physically present yourself at a polling booth; this might be quite a distance. So the turnout is generally lower in the exterior than it is in Peru.
Voting is mandatory in Peru; you are fined if you don’t vote. So the turnout is higher than it would otherwise be.
Having said all that, my back-of-the-envelope computation indicates that García will win by something like 30,000 votes (0.2%).
Another point of information: the 2001 election was between an outsider, Alejandro Toledo, running on a platform of opposition to traditional politics. In fact, running in opposition to traditional politics is pretty well a tradition in Peru. In any event, the other two protagonists were the same, and the results were somewhat similar: Toledo received 36.5% of the vote, García 25.8% and Flores 24.3%.
At the time, Toledo was trying his best to look left wing, although I couldn’t help noticing that his CV was not exactly consistent with that: he’s an economist who has been a consultant for the World Bank, for example. He also played the “poor boy from Cabana” card to the hilt. Of course, it’s true: he did grow up in unimaginable poverty. Humala grew up in a middle-class family. Both of them live in very nice parts of Lima. But that’s all beside the point.
So, in the second round in 2001, Toledo edged García out by 53% to 47%. However, he was starting with a rather larger base than Humala. My guess is that unless something particularly outrageous happens in the next few weeks, García will edge Humala out by roughly the same 53-47 majority. If I were a professional political analyst I might be less shy about making a prediction about a Peruvian election.
Pre-election polls showed Humala beating García in a hypothetical second round, and Flores beating Humala; in both cases, the margins were slim. But that actually seems unlikely to me. It is very difficult, perhaps impossible, for the right to win a fair election in Perú.
Of course, Toledo managed it, but his popularity plunged so fast he must have had nosebleeds; his party, such as it is, has been completely devastated in this election. And that despite the fact that he managed to do exactly what he said he would do — reading between the lines — that is, implement a successful neoliberal program which kept Perú’s macroeconomy steadily growing. The problem is that the macroeconomic success was actually counter-productive: if you’re poor and you know some people are getting richer, you are much more inclined to notice that you are not yourself getting less poor.
Flores is just not in a position to tap into that resentment. Toledo could, and so could Fujimori, because both of them are visibly not part of the establishment (whether or not they are actually part of the establishment). So Flores (somewhat like Vargas Llosa in 1990) finds that the more she presents herself in public, the less support she has; her vote slipped steadily in the polls during the election campaign.
Flores does have one thing going for her: the gender gap. Polling shows an enormous gender gap between Flores and Humala, and I think that is what was driving the hypothetical second-round victory for her. However, by voting day the gap had diminished somewhat, and it probably wouldn’t resist another six weeks of campaigning. For one thing, Humala now has a caucus. By my count, 14 of Humala’s predicted 45 seats were won by women. That’s 13 out of 39 seats outside of Lima. By contrast, UN seems to have elected four women, two from Lima and two outside.
An even more interesting hypothetical question is: how well would Fujimori have done had he managed to get onto the ballot? His daughter Keiko will receive far and away the highest preferential vote in Lima (she has more than 80% of her party’s vote). But I don’t feel like going down that road…
I haven’t reverified my congressional calculation, but I did put names to the seats, and it seems like there will be 34 women elected, 11 in Lima (of 35) and 23 in the rest of the country (of 85). We’ll see in a week or two how close I came.
Seed planted by Rici — 11 April, 2006 @ 19:04
41 replies on “8:00 P.M.: ONPE Presidential Results at 86.64% – Valid Votes”
Dear runners of this page,
thanks alot for the detailed information on the Peruvian elections so far. I couldn’t find any other source that covered the counts as up to date as you did. Actually, I doubt, that there will be a better chance for Peru after the elections, but maybe it would be less worse, if Flores won…actually I cannot make a decision. Let’s see, who faces whom in the second round.
My prognosis is a victory of Alan García.
Esto ya es absurdo… acabo de llamar a Lima pues por el momento no me encuentro alla, y me dicen que esto se va a alargar por 5 dias mas ??? En donde estamos , porfavor , eso sera y me imagino yo para que la corrupcion que lidera nuestro pais meta su mano negra y manipule estas elecciones para variar .Solo un punto de vista , saludos a mis compatriotas desde Noruega, no hay que perder esperanzas y pensemos que en nuestro pais si se puede.
Comments from the NYT about the Peru election.
Flores, who topped polls only months ago, has played up her potential role as Peru’s first female leader in a country where women are perceived as more honest.
Are Peruvian women more honest?
Flores practically declared victory over Garcia on Sunday night, but elections officials cautioned that the early vote favored ballots cast in cities, where Flores is stronger than either of her opponents.
And Garcia, whose 1985-90 presidency saddled Peru with crippling hyperinflation, said his party’s internal polls showed him beating Flores by 1 percentage point.
many analysts believe Garcia has a better chance of defeating Humala given his more leftist orientation.
In an interview Monday with the Venezuela-based television station Telesur, Humala accused his opponents in Peru of distorting his message.
He accused the media in Lima of speaking of ”nationalizations, expropriations and freedom of the press being compromised, but I’ve never said these things. Instead, I reiterate that we have a complete respect from freedom of expression … and we reject any attempts to expropriate private property.”
Max
Your calculations are wrong. You got to consider only valid votes. The difference is only 90 thousand votes.
Eduardo
Math has never been my strength, Eduardo! Thanks for the correction. That makes the race even tighter, and suggests the vote abroad could be more important. — Max
But assuming Garcia gets some of those votes, even 20% only would give Lopez [Flores?] a 40% spread (60% -20%) or 52,000 votes. Garcia is up almost 90,000 votes right now. Of course votes will be challenged and thrown out. We’ll know when it is over. If Garcia’s lead is greater than 1% by the end of this count and if it holds vs. challenges, that should be insurmountable vs. the out of country voters.
Whatever the result, I want to know what is/was going on within the ONPE and why their ability to communicate to the voting public has been so weak!? Most of us have no idea what they are still counting, what is left to count, and why it is taking them so long to do so. There seem to be few public press conferences given by Chu or her staff, so we have to rely on insider media sources or chismes. It certainly leaves ground for suspicion that they are somehow trying to drag this process on, even if it is not intentional.
Cynthia Sanborn
Garcia’s lead has now passed 1% over Flores. So from 72% where it was tied to 84% where he has a 1% lead. By the time they count the remaining rural votes, his lead may be 2% over Flores.
We’re all reading the tea leaves!
How big is the difference between Flores and García outside Peru? Conservatively (50% Flores and 20% García), I would say around 120 thousand votes difference.
According to some media, Peruvian voters in Spain, a stonghold of APRA outside Peru, give 35% to Flores and around 25% to García. That’s NOT enough for Flores to win.
In ONPE’s webpage (a very slow one) you see that Flores has 62% against 8.5% of García, but over 9,332 valid votes, that is, 5% of processed actas, just 127, of Europe and Asia. Nothing from the Americas. There are still 2,383 actas to be processed. If this trend prevails, so will Flores and that’s where her hopes may be.
Cynthia (and others who are criticizing ONPE):
I do not say that ONPE is doing the best job possible but you must consider how big a job it is.
There are almost 90,000 tables. Each table submits a handwritten report. Some of these are badly written. Some do not add up to the correct total. There are 19 presidential candidates, plus blank and null votes, etc; so just with the presidential election, each report has about 25 numbers.
Each of these numbers must be verified by ONPE, and also be the representatives of each party. It must take at least a minute to do that (probably more). So that is at least 1,500 hours of work, or about two months of 24-hour days.
Obviously, there is more than one team doing the work, but the number of teams is limited not just by ONPE’s budget, but also by the necessity to allow parties to send representatives. If there were too many counting teams, the parties would complain.
But that is only the presidential vote. The other votes have far more numbers. In Lima, for example, there are more than 500 congressional candidates. And for the Andean Parliament, there are more than 200 candidates. So the reports are very large, and there are a lot of numbers to verify.
The ONPE webpage is certainly a disaster. They really need to do some more work on that. That would be my biggest criticism, because it is important that ONPE communicate what it is doing.
But I think it is a very big job and it does not surprise me how long it is taking.
¿Cinco dias y mano negra?, recuerden la eleccion entre Gore y Bush el 2000. Fue mucho mas renhida
Where do you get Flores making up 120,000 votes. That is the total amount of absentee votes. A 50%-20% spread is 30%. 30% * 120,000 votes is 40,000. She’s down more than 120,000 votes already.
The ONPE web page has not been updated since 11:10 a.m., and is showing the results at 84% (presidential).
It is important to know that the percentage is the percentage of tables counted, not the percentage of tables processed (looked at). In that report, they had looked at 91.723% of the tables. 7.7% of the tables had some sort of problem (actually 8.4% of the tables examined). So we can expect that when the initial count is completed, the progress will be about 92%, not 100%.
Also, as of the 11:10 report, there were 7324 tables yet to be examined, of which about one-third were in the exterior. So fairly soon we can expect the exterior tables to start showing up.
Of the tables in the exterior, only 127 have been processed and 33 of those had some problem (illegible, not filled in correctly, etc.) That’s more than 25%, a much higher figure than in Perú.
Finally, in the congressional ballots, ONPE reports processing just over 50.4% of the tables, but the count is only for 32.6%. So more than one-third of the reports had some problem. As might be expected, progress is slowest in Lima, where the quantity of counts to look at is the greatest.
Max, there are 457mil voters outside Peru, 2.8% of the total. I’m considering 400 000 votes, of which, suppose, roughly 50% go to Flores and 20% to García. (Certainly, other scenarios os assumptions are also possible.) So: 400 000*0.3=120 000. Whether that would be enough for Flores to win, well we’ll see. Maybe, maybe not. Fact so far is that these votes do matter and they haven’t been counted yet.
Did they say there are 457,00 votes that were cast? or voters. That’s a big difference. Why would it be substantially different than the last election. I’ll bet there aren’t more than 469,000 absentee ballots cast by people outside the country. It’s probably closer to what it was 5 years ago, 130,000 than 457,000. That just seems crazy. You guys are really grasping at straws.
Yes, we’re all grasping at straws. What else can we do? Check it out here: http://www.rpp.com.pe/portada/politica/35372_1.php
rici,
thanks for the ONPE explanation.
You’re absolutely right, their web site IS a desaster!
more info from New York Times and Reuters
“What’s Peru coming too when we’ve got to choose between two crazy leftists for president,” said hairdresser Daniella Arroyo.
Pre-election polls showed Humala, 43, would face a tight runoff against Garcia.
Election officials worked to tally votes for a third day as ballots were collected from remote Andean and jungle areas and Peruvians living abroad.
“Garcia is very confident and he has every right to be,” said Ernesto Velit, a political science professor at Peru’s San Marcos University. “There are still votes to be counted from the rural communities, and there are no votes there for Flores.”
But Flores, 46, looking tired, told reporters she hoped a strong showing among expatriate voters, mainly Peruvians living in the United States, would lift her into the second round.
But a Garcia-Humala runoff is a concern for investors, as both candidates have promised to rewrite contracts with foreign companies and levy new taxes on Peru’s key mining industry.
On campaign in his strong hold in northern Peru, Garcia said he would force Spain’s Telefonica to renegotiate its contract to cut telephone prices.
Lima’s stock market fell nearly 3 percent in morning trade on Tuesday and the sol currency slipped 1.5 percent to 3.36 soles a dollar on the election concerns.
Peru’s bond spreads, a reflection of country risk, widened 14 basis points over U.S. Treasuries to 203 points on the JP Morgan Emerging Markets Bond Index Plus (EMBI+). Total returns fell 0.70 percent.
A defeat for Flores would be especially bitter because she also narrowly lost to Garcia in the race for a runoff place in the 2001 elections. Then, polls showed Flores set to make it to a second round behind eventual winner President Alejandro Toledo but was beaten by Garcia.
Election officials said it could take up to 20 days to determine the second-place finisher. The runoff must take place within 30 days after the final official result is announced.
Garcia saw his standing rise in the final polls ahead of Sunday’s vote as support ebbed for Flores, a lawyer who has struggled to connect with the poor.
Max: there are 457,891 electors outside of Perú. (I got that number from ONPE, where you can download a spreadsheet of the electorate by district, with demographic information.)
There is much more absenteeism than there is inside Perú, in part because it can be quite a long journey. So it is quite likely that only 40-50% of those electors will cast a valid ballot, compared with 77% of the electorate inside Perú (10.4% didn’t vote; 14.1% of the ballots were blank or null; with the 11:10 a.m. report, there were 10,638,100 valid votes from 13,818,404 potential voters).
If, as Apoyo claims, Lourdes has a 40% advantage over Alan in the exterior, and 45% of those voters cast valid ballots (that’s the current percentage based on a very small sample);then 40% of 45% of 457,891 is 82,420.
My prediction: Alan by a margin of about 25,000 votes.
And just because I’m in a risky sort of mood: based on that, I’m predicting a second round victory by Alan with 53%, from an effective turnout of 70%, ie (valid votes)/(total voters).
Alan stands little chance to beat Humala in the runoffs.
“Flores, a lawyer who has struggled to connect with the poor.”
Thats what she gets for not blaming all of peru’s problems on the rich white ones. Every president ever elected here is elected on that platform and looks what its got us so far.
So again we are stuck with pro-narcotrafficers, pro-Castro, pro-Chavez, anti-industry, anti-progress, and the want to return the economic system that destroyed us in the past. We will scare off all foreign capital and nationalize industries in order to put Humalas or Garcias comrades and ignorant followers in the new state enterprises. Remember what happened with Casagrande, Cartavio, etc., companies with 100 year histories, that were bankrupted within six months once occupied by the APRA government and staffed by the friends of Alan?
I predict a Castro-type economy, where everything is in total chaos and you have to stand in line for necesities. There will be tremendous inflation, economic chaos, and political chaos, which (as planned all along) will end in a military coup.
So Max, are you hiring wherever you live, because I’m sure I will be looking for a job in the near future?
Risky mood indeed. Though with the gap Garcia is creating from the rural area. I expect him to finish with a 1.5% lead locally or about 150-180 thousand vote lead. So he’ll probably win his slot by 50-100 thousand votes. I’ll be back the day of the real election to say who I think will win.
Was anyone really voting for Flores, or just against Garcia and Humala?
Alan García aventaja por más de un punto a Lourdes Flores
Al 84,89, por ciento del escrutinio, el líder aprista Alan García aventaja por 1,14 por ciento a la candidata presidencial de Unidad Nacional, Lourdes Flores, en la disputa por pasar a la segunda vuelta con Ollanta Humala de UPP.
Según el último reporte oficial de la Oficina Nacional de Procesos Electorales (ONPE), García tiene 24,71 por ciento de la votación, mientras que Flores alcanza 23,57 por ciento.
En primer lugar se mantiene Humala con 30,82 por ciento.
La ONPE informó que hay 7,220 actas observadas que representan aproximadamente un millón 400 mil votos y el 8,16 por ciento del total de actas, y que deben ser resueltas por el Jurado Nacional de Elecciones (JNE).
La candidata Lourdes Flores dijo esta mañana que los resultados de la ONPE no están considerando los votos de seis mil actas que han sido rechazadas por el sistema debido a errores en las sumas.
Indicó que de esas seis mil, que representan alrededor de un millón 200 mil votos, dos mil actas corresponden a Lima donde ella tendría amplia ventaja sobre García.
Although it is a moot point I wonder what effect would it have had had the other 50% of the military and police personel had voted? This question is assuming that their had been some inclination for Lourdes Flores if any. Does any one care to speculate in this close race between Alan and Lourdes?
Victor
Hundred year old companies fail all the time. Barings, an old british company fell to pieces in a few months. Once Peru integrates the 20 million indigenous people into the country it will be a great success. China grows by one New York City a year these days. Cuba has the best medical treatment and education levels in latin america. Venezuela has successfully renegotiated its trade agreements and is thriving. I’m not saying one system is better than the other, but inclusion is a big factor in any country’s success. Once everybody becomes part of trade and industry, Peru will be on much sounder ground. A country needs to get built, no time like the present.
Fabiola, Max, Jorge,
Are you getting any sleep?
Thanks again for splendid work and I raise my glass of pisco sour to you!
Abrazos,
Sasha
Creo que sería muy interesante que pudieran informar sobre los resultados de las votaciones de los peruanos que residen fuera del Perú.
Michel Montoya
San José, Costa Rica
Hi Maxwell,
I suggest you change the lower bound of the Y axis of your Excel graph “Preliminary ONPE results” to 20%.
Keep up the good work,
Silvio
Mientras tanto, estoy revisando el voto congresal. El día de las elecciones, Apoyo dío un conteo rápido del voto; acabo de hacer el cálculo en base de los números disponibles en la página de ONPE. Vale decir que voceros humalistas estiman que su bancada llegaría a 44-47. Apoyo dice 43, y mi cálculo les da razón.
Sin embargo, según los datos actuales, Apoyo subestimó la bancada de Apra.
Aquí está mi estimada, con la Apoyo en parentesis:
UPP: 43 (43)
Apra: 39 (35)
UN: 18 (19)
AF: 12 (15)
FC: 5 (5)
RN: 3 (3)
En algunos distritos, los resultados son muy apretados, y facilmente puede variar. Lo interesante es que el Apra y el UPP juntos podría tener dos tercios de la cámara.
Max, Cuba’s education level goes to waste because you’re allowed to think only one certain Communist dogma way. Venezuela is propped up by inflated oil prices. The leftist rhetoric of Chavez and Humala is inherently anti-trade and anti-industry. No one here is aguing against “inclusion”. We’re arguing that “inclusion” will not happen. Only dictatorship and dogma instead.
El Comercio reporta que hay más de 7000 actas observadas (el equivalente a 1.4 millones de votos) que deben ser “resueltas” por Jurados Electorales Especiales. ¿Alguien conoce el procedimiento? ¿Alguien sabe si las actas observadas son excluídas de la cuenta de votos válidos?
Javier, do you have any idea what Alan Garcia could possibly be promising Peruvians this time around that would actually make them forget how horribly he ran the country just 11 years ago? I just do not understand how people could possibly be voting for this guy — he was atrocious!!! Do people miss the lines they had to wait in for hours just to get a cup of sugar? Or do they miss the car bombs that went off every day because of Garcia’s failure to do anything about the Shining Path? In any case, Javier, I am glad to see that everyone is so optimistic about these left-wing candidates, but I know what Velazco and Garcia have done to Peru’s economy and stability in the past….so everyone please forgive me if I am not as enthusiastic as the rest of you about Humala and Garcia this time around.
Acabo de ver otro artículo en El Comercio… Las actas observadas no están incluídas en el conteo. Supuestamente, los votos excluídos favorecen a Lourdes Flores, aunque no se menciona ninguna razón.
You guys are so negative about Garcia and Humala. GIVE ONE GOOD EXAMPLE OF A PERUVIAN PRESIDENT. It still seems to move forward doesn’t it.
I know you guys are going to say Fujimoro and Toledo. Just say it.
Peru is a totally different country today than 20 years ago. If it’s going to suck, it might as well suck with the majority ruling it.
Toledo? That guy is worthless! I did NOT want him to get elected in the past election. And as far as Garcia, why wouldn’t we be negative about someone who already has a horrible track record? Aren’t prior acts the best indication of what someone will do in the future? It’s not like we’re being unfair with Garcia by prejudging him; he had a chance to rule already, and he did a terrible job at it. So I think we’re pretty justified in being negative about him.
However, keep in mind that the economy was much better under Fujimori, not to mention a break from the Shining Path’s bloody activities. And that was a benefit to the rich AND the poor. So, I think it’s safe to say that Peru “sucked” a lot less under Fujimori. Velazco tried to “include” everyone by taking from the rich, and he only ruined Peru’s economy.
And why does everyone act like things are dandy in Cuba? Do you guys know how awful it really is over there?
Max,
Recall that Fujimoto was an free market authoritarian and quite a sanguinary figure. Also for all the democratic rhetoric of the race card playing choledo, whups Toledo, he did not advance the situation for the general group of people he claimed to represent. I think he more than anyone was the Trojan Horse that some peruvia intelectuals speak of. Hear is Mr. democrcacy who stubbornly would rather not hear the voice of many people marhcing pleading and signing sufficient signatures to move the JNE to call congress to call a congressional meeting to pass a referendum on the free trade agreement. His partial democratic discouse is to the electoral process which leaves many popular movements or calls to the government muted and on death ears. Some democracy, when Mr. Choledo constantly breaks electoral laws by making veiled and indirect referrences not to vote for certain candidates. But it doesn’t matter to him does it since he doubled his salary in a poor country and could pay of any of the fines that would be lobbied against him for electoral infractions.
I have a suggestion. Any political or well established popular figure who makes direct or even substantially veiled reference to the benefit or detriment of any candidate should not only be fined but the money procured by fine should go into the campaign treasure chest of the parties agreived by such partisan statements.
Soy un cholo tuerco y rebelde
me parece mas como un oveja manso y sumiso.
Victor
Max, your ignorance amazes me. The poor have elected every democratically elected president we have ever had. The socialist utopia you so desperately crave can only exist if everybody is already rich. Our problems have absolutely nothing to do with exploitation by the rich, but rather mismanagement by those elected by the poor.
You would change your tune if every penny you had was taken, the $10 you had in the bank on Friday was only worth $1 on Monday, or you were afraid to send your children to school because the Shining Path made a bomb threat. You like to criticize from afar and say our country sucks, but don’t try to tell us you know the solutions to our problems when you don’t have the slightest idea.
Kine, its not simple that people simply forgot how Garcia ruined the country. If you were an Aprista, you got special favors. Businesses and farms were taken by the gov’t and given to the Apristas. Narco money and the money stolen from the backs of workers were given to friends of the apristas in fake business contracts and other means.
Plus, the dirt poor who live in farm communities have no idea that inflation was 7000% and country was crumbling. They only know that an Aprista gave their family a chicken, so they must be good guys, so Garcia gets the vote.
I don’t understand how anybody with a conscience who knows his past could vote for him. I have lost all faith in humanity.
Definitely not Fujimori. He forfeited all rights to be called a good president by carrying out the auto-golpe. It doesn’t matter what the circumstances were, that undemocratic behavior is unforgivable. He deserved to be ousted and he deserves to be prosecuted.
I don’t want the nation to suck AT ALL.
Javier, I don’t crave anything. I was asking for the best president Peru has had in the last 50 years or so. If you don’t have one, then say, “never had one”. If Peru has never had a good leader then why should it expect one now. Does everything you say have to be an attack on the author who disagrees with you?
I hear there have been people flipping exclusive / luxury real estate in Lima and its outskirts for 100% annual returns the last few years. If things are so bad, how are these guys making so much money?