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Like I said in our discussion yesterday, what most affected me was the persisten sound of a clock ticking. I’ve learned in literature, for example in Mrs. Dalloway by Virginia Woolf, that this is a reassuring sign of temporality and the coming promise of mortality. While this mortality is a repeated gloomy occurence in the film, it is hard to deny its peacefulness when it over takes the protagonist. Marcos to me represents a kind of tragic hero, but does not wholly fulfill the requirements to be one as he is not mentally well. His saving grace though is seen in this instability which eventually leads to his quasi suicidal death.
The ticking of the clock is thus seen to symbolise the deterioration of his character. As the events propel, and even though they are presented in backflash and in an entangled nature, the persistent sound of time does not allow for the derailment of mortality.
What I find interesting and think it speaks to the film’s thematic intentions, is that it is not clear to me if this promise of death is a salvation for Marcos or a punishment. To support the former option, I think that his dying in the church after the pilgrimage is meaningful and shows a peace attained in death for this troubled character. But I also think that it could be seen as a punishment of divine quality because his wife does not show any emotion in seeing him die, the bells atop the church do not make a sound, and the closing seen of the flag coming down without him shows that his death is not very important.

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Overall, I did not like Batalla en el cielo. The fact that is it was almost a border line pornography film kind of helped with determining my opinion because it lacked dialogue and overall story telling; you didn’t really know what people were thinking or why they were acting the way they were. The movie mainly relied on the cinematography with the visual shots as there were many facial and body close-ups. It’s like the director wanted to put you in the persons place to see what one would see in real life. Like when Marcus would lose his glasses and all he saw was a blur, then the camera would become blurry. And when that would happen the focus was then on the audio as certain sounds would resonate louder than others, such as the clocks to possibly act as symbols to give clues or hidden meanings the filmmakers wanted to use. The director looks like he wanted to use a different style to maybe have a shock value to get audiences talking. With a lack of script you were focused on trying to read peoples body language and use the environment to help set the mood. In a way, the audience would be the one making up the storyline as they interpreted it themselves. This film, as a few films we have watched so far, has again centered mainly on a negative story from start to finish. It showed the misery of a couple living a miserable life when their kidnapping victim ends up dead. The constant close-ups of Marcus and his wife kind of made things eerie as it first gave an impression that they were desperate people, along with the long pauses of them staring at each other, kind of made things awkward as you weren’t sure what to make of it. It didn’t help advance the storyline as it didn’t help explain why they did the kidnapping or how the child died and kind of put us in a moment in their lives as we interrupted their misfortunes and watched their life unfold.

A few scenes that I did not quite understand were when Marcus ends up killing Ana. He leaves her place and walks into the hallway and pauses where he wets himself and then decides to walk back into her place and kills her. Because there is no reasoning why he did this one could only assume that maybe when she used the words when she was seeing him off, “you will always be in my heart” that maybe that angered him as that was the same thing his wife used and that his wife meant more to him than her and felt betrayed by the girl. Another possibility could be that when he said that he was going to turn himself in that he expected a better reaction from her, because it looked like she didn’t care much and sort of wanted him to leave the apartment quickly with not much concern.

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This film was very interesting to watch, despite its prolonged depictions of apparently mundane events.  There was such a lack of dialogue, which was refreshing and disconcerting at the same time for me; it is refreshing because it seems more honest (for lack of a better word), seeing as we are not always talking, especially about precisely the things the audience wants to hear, and we don’t always have eloquent or well-put-together things to say, even though this occurs in so many films.  It is disconcerting, because we are used to getting more information about what is going on, and we feel uncomfortable, hence, with such long silences, which make us wonder at what is happening/being depicted. I, for one, wish we knew why they had kidnapped a little boy and what exactly had happened, whether Jaime knows about Ana and Marcos, what happened to make her want to be with him, etc.  Yet at the same time it is intriguing that the director leaves these out.  Much like there are not always explanations for the things we witness every day. I enjoyed the photography and sound design in this film – especially in the airport towards the beginning, where as they walk through, you hear the music and ambient noise change and they pass different shops, etc.

This film did a lot to make the audience uncomfortable, perhaps to make them think and consider their reality? Among other things, it spends an extraordinarily long time focusing on Ana and Marcos’ oral sex in the beginning, shaking the audience out of complacent, passive viewing within the first scene.  Later, things such as an obese couple having sex, Marcos wetting himself, the long takes of sex or naked bodies… and finally, the long silences throughout the film… these all contribute to this uncomfortability.

Before we saw this film, I had read reviews and found that people either loved it or hated it.  I find myself somewhere in between – appreciating its honesty and its unconventionality and interested in the cinematography on the one hand, but, like I said, a bit disconcerted by the silence, the grotesque images, the lack of explanation of people’s actions, etc.  The discussion on Thursday should prove quite interesting.

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I think this film showed a unique representation of Mexico. Compared to the other films that we have seen in class, this film shows the actual interaction between the high class and the working class. In addition to that, aspects of the lower class are shown while in the city, something which we have not seen much either. This is important because as Mexico developed, the lower classes that used to live away from the city migrated to the city to look for more economic opportunities which are not always there. For example, Marcos’ wife sells clocks and other stuff in the Metro, meaning she never found any real “economic opportunity” in the city. This change in environment is always a must-see because it shows their lack of understanding of norms and their true characters. For example, there was a scene in the movie where about ten people step out of a car. It was a bit funny to see this but it actually depicts reality. I also like how the film showed various parts of Mexico, all within range. They showed the city with busy traffic, a farm, a higher class neighbourhood, a gas station, a working class house, etc. This makes the viewer actually compare the two social classes in a better way as they see how everyone interacts differently in different environments. It was also interesting the actions of the people in the white car when it came to Ana’s house. They were dressed up and probably a bit drunk. When they pissed at the back of the car it was a funny moment as everyone does it. However when I thought about I thought that if a darker Mexican in a lower class environment would be doing that, it would show as if he lacks education and norms. Finally I found a lack of “machismo” in this movie as well. I was expecting it to happen in some way or another but never did. It was probably because Marcos had a weak personality. It seemed like women were the ones who were actually in control of situations. Marcos’ wife slaps him and he doesn’t react, Ana’s boyfriend leaves when he is told to get the newspaper, and the “boutique” is presented as the women giving a favor to men. Finally, sex was portrayed in a non sexual way. I don’t know if that makes sense, but at times characters didn’t move at all and had no expressions. Marcos especially, seemed like he couldn’t show what he was feeling, not only at sexual intercourse but at every point in the movie. However this could be explained by the fact he was really scared of what had happened and couldn’t keep his mind off that.

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This blog is over 800 words, I hope that’s ok, I had a lot to say.

Tonight was the second time that I watched this movie, and I’m glad I watched it twice. The first time was this weekend, and it was spent basically trying to take in all of the information that the movie was spitting out. Maybe I shouldn’t say ‘spitting out’ because if it was true, then I wouldn’t feel this lost. Maybe I’m over thinking it, maybe not, but I have no idea, and it’s driving me crazy…I haven’t said what I’m talking about yet, so here it is: I’m a very visual person, and I find it hard to speak out in class discussions because when I watch a movie, the things that are running through my head are the relationships between the film score, the photography, and the characters (surprise!…it’s probably because I have always wanted to be a film score composer and when I graduate from UBC in May, I’m going into photography, while a lot of other people are thinking about the things that we actually discuss in class, basically everything else other than what I automatically think about, and no matter how hard I try, it’s really hard for me most of the time to think the way that others think like…after I’m done with UBC, it won’t matter how I think, because I won’t be graded on it, and I’m going to go on into an artistic field … but here’s the point:

If you add up the time it takes to run through the dialogue in this movie, it would probably be about 30 minutes or less. The rest of the 100 minutes is either credits or photography … it should be a movie that I can relate to perfectly but it seems like Reygadas is saying so much in all of the pauses and the photography, but there’s so much, I’m going to have to watch the movie over and over again to understand why exactly he put pauses in (some of the pauses were long enough to be like an actual photograph with a really great composition that I would put on my wall – that said, even though the beginning scene was really artistic with the choice of music and the way that the camera descended and gradually showed what was happening, and from a photographer’s point of view, and interesting composition, I wouldn’t want that anywhere near my wall…same story with the still shots after Marcos and Ana have sex and they’re just lying there…great composition and lighting, but no thanks – I think that whoever was behind the camera or in charge of the photography was a genius.

Maybe it’s all easier that I think. Maybe I’m just excited that we’re finally watching an extremely visual movie and it’s way more simple than I think…but most likely not. I’ll have to wait what people think about it on Thursday.

Even though I’ll have to watch the movie again to have a full understand of the symbolism in the photography, I noticed that whoever was behind the camera (well Reygadas was probably in charge of this) really played with the sense of ordering and time. For example, in the first scene, they could have showed what Ana was doing first before they showed Marcos’ face (reaction), but they wanted to show his reaction first before they showed what he was reacting to. Then later, like I said in class, in the metro, they showed Marcos and his wife first before they revealed where they were and what they were doing there. All you could see were their heads and you could hear the annoying beeping, but you didn’t know where it was coming from (this is similar to the scene in the country where you can hear the hammering but you have no idea what it is until after Marcos and their wife have a conversation). I figured that they didn’t show that they were selling stuff in a hallway somewhere until later, because they wanted the conversation to happen first, with very few distractions to the viewer because it was a follow up of the previous scene when Marcos answers his phone and gets the news from his wife. But in the country scene, there’s no reason why they have to show the source of the hammering at the end, because it isn’t really following anything…I guess it’s similar to the opening scene in that way.

Last thing for now because I’ve written over 700 words…I noticed that there was a sense of going from simple to complex in the metro scene…It’s like they were trying to create layers: first there’s minimal information, just a conversation and beeping, then gradually more information is provided: people ask questions about what they’re selling, and then we see what they’re selling, and then we see the people in that hallway thing, and then finally loads of people walk past them. I wonder if this technique is portrayed this much anywhere else. Maybe that’s what they were trying to do with the first scene, and the country scene, but in less drastic layers. I have to watch the movie again.

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This movie is really difficult to understand. There are several scenes that I have not yet figured out what they mean or even what happened. I think I am going to watch the movie a second time to fully grasp what’s going on. It is challenging to analyze the film without a good understanding of it, but I’m going to try.

The movie is rather slow compare to the other movies that we’ve seen. Marcos, the main character, does not express much emotion. Actually, most of the characters in the movie express little emotion. They barely conversed with each other and even when Marcos hugged his wife, the whole action was as though it was in slow motion too. This slow motion creates a heavy and overwhelming atmosphere. I have never been to Mexico so I am not sure if it is a realistic portrayal of the place. However I was always under the impression that Mexico City is busy and crowded where people move at a fast pace?! That being said, I am not suggesting that the characters are completely indifferent. They show their emotion in more discrete ways.

I couldn’t figure out how the last scene played into the murder of Ana. If Marcos loved Ana, why would he kill her instead of turning himself in? When he told her that he was going to be away, she did not seem too concerned or bothered by it; perhaps it was why he decided to kill her instead of turning himself in?! Marcos seemed to care much more about Ana than how much Ana cared about him. When he picked her up from the airport, she was focused on talking on the phone rather than having a conversation with him. He also seriously considered turning himself in because that was what Ana said.

And here are a couple questions that I have:

At the end of the movie, what happened to Marcos? Did he die?

The last scene with him and Ana, when did it happen? Before Ana went away? Before they had sex? After they had sex? I just can’t fully comprehend their relationship…

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Response to Mario Fas

I think that Marcos killed Ana for no reason and that is the point of the movie. I think he was in so much despair and uneasiness that he let all the repressed feeling one can have to control him. All his fears and disappointments became actions. I don’t think he loved her. Also I thought that Marco’s wife was interesting. We did not get to know her very well but I think she was far from linear. she had so much understanding of her situation that she was able to accept the role Marcos wanted to give her (furniture in the house) and she dealt with it.

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Battle in Heaven

This is by far my favorite movie until now. I like the plot and I like the performances of all the characters. The movie reminded me of Repulsion by Polanski. It really captured the feeling of the characters even though the characters themselves did not show a lot of expression or physical emotions. I liked the contrast between the fast paced of the city and the stillness of Ana and Marco. The contrast brightened the despair of the main characters because it put them in a context at the same time as it alienated them from Mexico city.
The relationship between sound and picture was also important in the film. There were a lot extraneous sounds in the scenes like the classic music at the gas station, the clocks at the house and the metro station and the music in the country side. The music help us to focus in the people more and less in the surroundings.

I found interesting how the director presented Mexico city. although the director told the interviewer that the film was not political a lot of elements were a lot about Mexico and not just about an x city. The flag, the close captions of religious images, the city shots, the road trip towards Ana’s house, the guy wearing the mexico jacket at the airport, the march of the pilgrins. I agree that the film is about two people but it happens that those people are Mexican and they are very affected by the dynamics of their city. Truth is though that the characters seem free to make their own decisions. they did’t seem so limited by their socioeconomic status like in Los olvidados or El callejon de los milagros.

About the narretive, The marriage was interesting because of the hate-love interactions but also it was genuine and it felt honest to me. Also, women had very different roles in this movies than in any other film we have seen. All females appeared strong and confident.

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ahh no sabo que decir. Pienso que hay una cosa en la pelicula que no puedo aggragar. No entiendo la relacion, o la cronologia entre el comienzo y la fin.. y porque hay una diferencia en la emocion de Ana. En estilo de la pelicula es muy lento… el dialogo un poco aburrida. No hay accion, pero estoy seguro que el director esta tratando de decir algo.

Tambien no sabo que decir de Marco. No hay vida en su ojos. De todo que hice.. hay no emocion o reacion, o disucssion o dialogo sobre nada. Su hijo es un poco interesante..no hace o dice nada.. pero es seguro que las cosas que sus padres hacen tienen un efecto en su vida.

estoy esperando con interes a jueves…

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As I watched this film I thought to myself: this can be a good short film, but it is being elongated so much it misses the point. There are a lot of scenes that are extended for no apparent reason, like after Ana and Marcos have sex, there is a tracking shot that shows the city, and then we go back to both of them and they are just laying there. Then we see Marcos reflecting after Ana tells him that he should turn himself to the police for a very long time. I think these two shots juxtapose interestingly because while in one you see the city and the monotony of it all, then you see Marcos reflecting in the same way. His life is this monotone repetitive actions that he finds thrills in kidnapping babies and that is probably why he wants to be with Ana so bad. I think Marcos represents the Mexico city, a repetition of actions that try to escape and eventually die. He lives for a dream. Everything he does after Ana comes is to be with her. He kills her because he knows he can’t turn himself in, so he would rather see herself dead and die afterwards than to die alone. His selfishness is extreme, but the director tries to justify it by saying that Marcos is actually in love with her. Does that justify his actions? I personally don’t think so. If Marcos is a symbol for Mexico city, then that means Mexico city is living for a dream that can’t occur in real life. An idealized world that cannot really occur. That is why I liked about the film.
Now what I didn’t like. I liked the shots of Marcos reflecting or the POV shots of Marcos looking into the sunset, but some shots were unnecessary. The raising of the flag could have been cut down a lot and many shots were very slow. Although this movie works in the same way as elephant, the slowless represents the monotone events in life, elephant at least had characters that were interesting. Until Marcos killed Ana I thought he was boring and uninteresting. Then the murder gave some complexity to the character, but still, Ana was always more interesting than him. In scenes where only Marcos was shown I always pondered about her. A general’s daughter that’s a prostitute. I wished I had known her more. I know this movie from Marcos’ POV, but maybe a shift in perspective could have been very interesting. I also thought the character of Marcos’ wife was one-dimensional and uninteresting. I was more interested in knowing the policeman more than her when Marcos is in the church. One final thought about the all the explicit sex scenes… they’re shocking, but its because we are not used to it. I thought they were realistic and un-hollywood like. They were still shocking because full frontal nudity is not common, and I don’t think it was completely necessary, but it still created a movie that you can remember, even if its for that reason. In general I thought the movie was slow. I know it had a purpose, but that movie could have been done in 30 minutes and it would have been a great short.

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En repuesta a los comentarios de Carolin

Cuando Chavo le haya llamado a Alma por el telefono hubo un sensido de esperanzo por un segundo. Originalmente pense que Chavo regrese pero cuando el linea se corto es hacerse evidente que en el mente de Alma que deba considerar o tomar un rumbo diferente. Cuando Alma lo supiera sobre la realidad del hombre misterioso ella esta muy disgustada por la situacion pero eventualmente ella cambia su mente. No entiende porque ella cambio su mente pero es posible ella descrubio los adventajes y como lo podria cambiar su situacion.

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El callejon de los milagros was a very confusing and sad film. It reminded me of Los Olvidados where the whole film revolved around peoples misfortunes in life. As in the movie Mecanica Nacional, the father shows he is the central figure and mistreats his family by mishandling his son Chava and also his wife Eusebia, whom he verbally and physically attacked after she confronts him about the affair, but then shows his weak side as he cries for his son on her lap after he runs away.

It can be mentioned that the men were depicted as being machismo as they treated the women in their lives and women in general like trash, such as Don Ru who cheats on his wife ,the jeweler Don Fidel to Alma as he tries to marry her, Jose Luis to Alma as he forces her into prostitution, Chava to the landlady, Susanita, for taking her money, Chava to his own wife as he attempts to pick up Alma’s friend right in front of her, the husband Guicho to Susanita for marrying her for the money as he steals from her, and even Alma herself to Abel as she misleads him. It seems everyone attempted to screw each-other over as scandals broke out everywhere. The director seems to have attempted to make a soap opera (like tres destinos) in a film format and made it in a way to serve the appetite of popular culture that are intrigued by the exaggerated and scandalous plots and story lines. The issue of classes and self-worth was a central theme as the mainly lower-middle class characters in this film believed that wealth was important to attain for the purpose of both living well off and also having social status in society as in the case of Alma.

What I found to be quite profound was the very end of the movie. One could sense that Alma did not truly love Abel and that she was misleading him the whole way. She lied when she said that she had waited for him, as she almost got married right after he left and went into prostitution at her own free will. She was promised a good life and was lied to by Jose Luis. It seems that only true person who was loyal was Abel for not breaking his promise but he ends up broken hearted and dead. I think that the director wanted to show that both sexes, not just men, can treat each with just as much disregard.

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“El Callejon de los Milagros” is told in chapters, in which individual characters’ lives are explored and seen within a larger framework. The film is very frank in the way it depicts Mexico City and the society and is especially realistic in the portrayal of the culture. The chapters in which individual characters are explored, demonstrates an in depth analysis of how the characters function under the societal pressures of daily life. For example, the character, Rutilio constantly surrounds himself with men, which could be perceived simply as male camaraderie, and nothing more. With the pressures of the machismo culture, it is difficult to imagine how a man could openly identify himself as gay without being persecuted. As a result, Rufilio is forced to live his life according to the status quo. At first Rutilio’s sexual orientation is only hinted at by the indifference he shows towards his wife after she surprises him with an anniversary gift and the desire to make “love.” Yet over time it becomes apparent that he is sexually frustrated and emotionally disturbed after years of sustaining a façade. Rutilio shields his true identity by talking about how women are “muy complicados” and in addition the aggression he has towards his wife only seems to be natural after watching several other Mexican movies in which the men are abusive towards women.
Like other films we have watched in this class, “El Callejon de los Milagros” does not end well. The film is not formulaic and instead, emphasizes the problems that plague Mexico. The characters are all forced into situations as a result of pressure and societal constrictions. It seems that the characters are only able to go on with their lives as a result of having false dreams of hope. A mysterious man courts Alma and at this point it seems that there is hope and a possibility for a happy ending, when he responds that she can open her eyes, now that she is living her dream. However we discover that he wants to turn her into a prostitute, in which she eventually gives into. While Rutilio hopes to carry on his sexual relationship with the muchacho in secret, Alma hopes to be eventually reunited with Chava and lastly, Susanita hopes to find true love. All of the characters inspire hope in the audience, which could possibly signify the hope they have for their nation. However, like the other films, this hope cannot immediately mend or heal a nation.

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I think this film had a lot to offer. It certainly portrayed issues of the working class in Mexico and their relationship to their external world. I also found really interesting how the film was divided into different parts, telling different stories from different perspectives. The stories always began by the same men playing dominos. I wonder what the symbolism of the dominos is. Probably it means how every action is caused by another action until someone ends up worse than the rest or better off.
Don Rutilio was a very interesting character. He is introduced with a hard personality when he yells at his son for not helping him at his bar. He tells his son that he should stop hanging out so much with his friend because people will start thinking he is gay. He seems really bothered by this at that point. He is really detached from his family externally, but in reality he does everything for them. Rutilio shows his real feelings when Chava, his son, leaves to the United States. He cries and tells his wife how they are left alone. The next part when he shows these feelings is when he realizes that Chava has named his son after his father, Rutilio. That’s the only point when Rutilio holds the kid and doesn’t want Chava to leave the house. His anniversary with his wife was also really weird. I don’t think it has anything to do with the fact that he was seeking other types of love. He just didn’t think grateful for anything, neither lunch nor the present, or the fact that his wife had made such a great effort to make him happy. It seemed like he had no purpose in his life at that point since everything made him angry and unsatisfied. He agreed to make love to his wife after she insisted a lot and seemed like he was just doing her a favor. His affair with the young boy from the store was surprisingly a public thing. People made fun of him, but no one to his face. Rutilio was still the same person towards everyone else and was still respected in spite of this.
The neighborhood was represented really well too, and seemed like everyone was struggling in some way, from economic to love. Love seemed like a place where everyone wanted to get, but couldn’t. At the end no couple was happy with each other; they had major fights of stealing, cheating, and commitment. However, this represents real life, and how people react to different issues.

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Right off the bat, I would be interested in a queer studies perspective on this film.
Rutilio makes for one of the strangest gay characters I have ever seen portrayed in film.
In the opening sequence he is seen berating his son with a barrage of homophobic slurs.
An attitude that is emulated by his son later in the bar and finally in the shower scene.
But Rutilio is clearly attempting to cover up his own gay orientation.
What’s strange is he suddenly drops this cover and openly engages with the younger man at his bar and around town.
All this after 30 years of marriage?
It was odd.
Even more odd was his constant violent outbursts towards his wife.
Some sort of clinging on to his hetero-masculinity.
Of course it is the mother character who takes this burden on herself, as we see her being struck by branches in a smokey room.
(Some sort of purification? I know the Finns used Birch Branches to strike themselves in Saunas as a rejuvenating and purifying gesture.)
What’s frustrating is whether or not I found Rutilio to be absolutely pathetic, or,the most troubled, complex character of them all….
As for the rest…
Narrative structure and the us of POV (Point of View) on the same story was the saving grace of this film.
I had to leave at 7pm so never saw the end but I imagine the barber came back?
Interesting to learn that this film was awarded 26 times….

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Response to Marianne B

I also really liked the way the story was told. I almost think that the breaking of the chronology and the naming of the parts has become a very Mexican feature I have seen it on Amores perros and Amarte duele. Back in track, I agree on what you said about all the stories becoming one and all the characters affecting each others life, however I don’t think that they are victims of each other. I think that they just made the choices they thought or felt were right for them. As for Alma I think that she wanted to do something with her life and she saw in Jose Luis the only door towards a different lifestyle but not because she pitied herself but because she wanted a change.

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De virgen a prostituta

Lo que me parecio mas interesante de la pelicula fue la transformacion de Alma. Al principio ella era el personaje mas virginal. Ella representaba pureza e inocencia y al final de la historia ella es una prostituta, lo cual la convierte en su propia antitesis. Aunque Alma pierde su virginidad en su nuevo trabajo parece que no ha perdido su inocencia y vulnerabilidad. Ella sigue siendo ingenua y pasiva, siempre esperando que la vida o “el destino” actuen por ella.
Algo que no causo perplejidad fue la logica detras de la decision de Alma y por eso es que me parece interesante su conversion. Pienso que talvez Alma vio en Jose Luis una oportunidad para tomar las riendas de su vida y dejar de esperar por un esposo pero tambien alma pudo haberse dejado deslumbrar por el dinero y las promesas materiales que le hizo Jose Luis o que quiza la curiosidad por el sexo la haya conducido hacia un estilo de vida del que no puso escaparse.

Maru, la amiga de Alma tambien me llamo la atencion porque ella representa a la mujer facil sin embargo ella no se involucra con el protibulo, lo cual es inesperado.

En terminos mas generales, me gusto la forma en que la pelicula se desarrolla porque no hay ninguna critica explicita de la sociedad Mexicana pero al mismo tiempo muestra los problemas que ciertos aspectos de esta causan a nivel social. La pelicula podria pertenecer completamente a la ficcion si no tuviera tantos aspectos en comun con Mexico como la falta de oportunidades, la homophobia, el machismo, la supersticion y privacidad colectiva. La discriminacion basada en la preferencias sexuales fue la discusion mas importante para mi en la pelicula porque ese episodio afecto a todos los habitantes del callejon y fue mostrado de forma real sin mostrar extremos no situaciones improbable con las cuales es dificil relacionarse.

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This film was very indicative of modern Mexican culture. Enlightening common problems and issues of members of Mexico City’s working class. It also touches on many themes that are prominent throughout the movies we have seen so far in class such as machismo, gender relations, notions of the family and of national identity as well as the battle between traditional values and modern more liberal ideologies that the people of Mexico have been influenced by. We seen this with the contrast between the old and young characters. The older characters are frustrated with their lives in the barrio and have come to terms that they will probably be stuck their for the remainder of their lives. On the other hand the young protagonists have a longing and hope for a life full of love and better economic standing and the desire to emigrate to the United States to make enough money to try to rise in the social class structure of Mexico and be able to marry into a higher class. Throughout the film we see the transformation Mexico went through in the late 20th century from a closed market economy to a participant of the Americanized global culture. The director to some extent is critical of this route to embracing modernization and opening up national boarders.

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Callejon de Llos milagros.

First and foremost, I want to say that I really enjoyed this movie. I really liked the multiple narrative layers which tells the same story through different perspectives which in the end intertwine and be come one story. Like the callejon in which they live and live different lives, the narrative funnels into a shared space. One thread which I think strongly connects the different narratives is the aspect of victimization. Even though athey work for respect and to be different from those who allowed themselves to fall by the wayside, they all end up becoming victims.

In the first narrative, Rutilio’s son allows his father’s indecency to push him to violence which later condemns everyone around him. He leaves without dealing with the consequences and overestimates these consequences so that his leaving only harms. It’s intereseting to me to see how quick he is to act as if his violent act on the young man was actually an attack on himself. It’s somewhat representative of his state of mind which allows him to perpetually believe that he is a victim.

This same victim mentality is seen in the next narrative of Alma. Even though she presents characteristics of an independent young woman, her mentatlity of being a helpless victim leads to her domination by others. First, she feels she is somewhat less of a person for being a virgin, and so she decides to date the young man who is really quite in love with her. She acts clueless to what she is doing as if she weren’t victimizing herself. I think she represents a kind of girl who thinks everyone is out to harm her, and so harms herself before they can. She represents a learned helplessness which she uses to never have to work hard to break the bindings which hold her back. Though she speaks of passion, she likes the comfort of the box she is put into as a lower class Mexican girl. It is with this belief that she agrees to marry the older man she doesn’t know and later agrees to become a prostitute. I think her role in the movie is to demise our belief of such personalities as being of social causation because in her we see a desire to be pitied unlike that of her boyfriend that went to Houston or even her girlfriend Maru.

EVentually, the boy that went to Houston allowed this victim allure to grab a hold of him too. He goes to the brothel with no real plan of murdering Jose Luis, but really only cuts his face and is thus killed himself. Though we don’t know if he meant to cut his throat, I think what’s important is that he knew he would be wounded for his actions. Again, I feel as if they see a certain safety in being deceived, murdered or abandoned.

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Me gusta el estilo de esta película. Pienso que es muy interesante ver las diferentes perspectivas cuando la historia empieza 2-3 tiempos. Es una película muy larga pero se pasa rápidamente. Hay muchos momentos divertidos, especialmente en el dialogo.

Me decepciona la fin de la película. Quiero mucho una vida con exito por Alma. Fue poco sorprendido con una cosa: estoy seguro que los dos amigos pueden trabajar en los Estados Unidos y ganar mucho dinero. Sin embargo, es probablemente la realidad. Muchas personas en México quieren viajar a los EEUU para trabajar, pero no es tan facil que piensan.

Y también, hay la probre Susana. Se caso con (no recuerdo su nombre… ¿Chava?), pero aprendemos que es solamente porque Chava quiere robarla.

Es una película de decepcion. En fin, las personas en la pelicula quieren dos cosas: el amor y el dinero. Pero ultimamente, el dinero es la cosa principal que las personas quieren.

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I actually really liked this movie, despite its melodramatic points. I was pretty compelled the whole way through. Obviously there are aspects of it that I found less believable than others, ie when Susanita and the twenty- six year old guy get married. That part just seemed so middle aged woman dream coming true thing that doesn’t really happen very often in reality. I did like it when he responded “sure” in his sleazy way, though.
I was very impressed that this movie talked about homosexuality from the standpoint of an abusive middle aged married man. I also initially thought this movie was from the 80s, until I realized it was from 1995, but nonetheless, Mexican culture is very patriarchal and very Catholic, thus much less tolerant of homosexuality than, say, Canada, where gay marriage is legal and gay men have a much less difficult set of walls to tear down, metaphorically. This aspect of the movie made me respect it a lot more, and I also found the whole situation entirely believable. The use of drugs made this movie feel more real to me, as well.
I liked how hot and cold the father ran, not that it made me like the character for it, but I found him very realistic. Much of the time when asshole self-righteous characters are depicted in film, writers have a tendency to show them as very black and white, one-sided. But the fact that the father became so enraged when he felt betrayed and showed no vulnerability, but still simultaneously loved his grandson added more depth to his character.
There was a little bit of overacting, but it was a very dramatic movie, so somehow it fit, even though generally I can’t stand overacting. In terms of this movie as a cultural depiction, I enjoyed the view of the city street that we see interspersed through the film, I thought that was a good motif, because it showed how a street in Mexico actually looks. The fact that Alma felt like her only options of a future were prostitution or marrying rich felt very real and very tragic. I’m not sure if this film was as much a societal commentary, as much as it was about human relationships and the endurance of love.

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I don’t even know where to start with this film.  It was intense, but more difficult for me to discuss than the other ones; I guess I am still trying to wrap my head around everything.

The way in which the film jumps from person to person is interesting, but leaves certain gaps.  Earlier in the film, for example, Rutilio’s marraige is falling apart due to his affair with Jimmy, but after Jimmy’s injury, we don’t see him again and Rutilio seems to be back with his wife.  We don’t know what happened in the meantime. Also… why did Alma go back to the pimp, José Luis, after she had fought him earlier?

It also would have been interesting to see Chava and Abel’s experiences in the U.S. – if for no other reason than to further develop Abel’s struggle to provide for and marry Alma.

More thoughts to come tomorrow in my responses…

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I really liked this film. I thought it was different from all we have seen and really appreciated some of the aspects of it. The thing I liked the most is the use of time in this film, they always go back in time to show different people interacting in different manners yet it never feels repetitive because we learn something new from the point of view of someone else. Their play on time I thought was what made the film interesting, they give clues in each segment (for example in the Alma scene you can see Fidel son’s in the funeral and then they appear in the next segment as beggers) as to what is going to happen and then fill you in. Each character is interesting in their own way and I think they created characters that are actually believable.
As I am not supposed to use the word stereotype, I’ll use the words “stock characters in Mexican soap operas and film”. I think Mecanica Nacional used this as to create a satire, something that El Callejon de los milagros never did. We are presented to Don Ru as this patriarchal figure who is chauvinistic and homophobic (typical conservative latin parent) and then that image is torn apart when we learn he is actually a homosexual. The character of Alma is also seen as basically a gold digger interested in sex, but expanded to see that she actually did fall for Abel and gave up for her life for the life people thought she should have. This characters are compelling, they are interesting, something that Mecanica Nacional failed to give us. I think the most stock character is Susanita, an old single woman desperately looking for love. The funny thing is, I have met a lot of women like that in Peru, she played that type of woman to perfection. Her innocence is destroyed when Guicho stelas her money but again she does not act as we expect her to, she actually leaves him.
I actually think this is the film that represents class difference in Mexico the most effectively of the films we have seen. Los olvidados is a film that presents the problem of children in the streets turning into violence and lack of education failry well, yet it only gives us in detail that part of Mexico, the homeless. The rest of Mexico city is presented through the point of view of the children: oppresive, insignificant. Aguila O sol mocks the high and low class by showing their differences in the theater and in the characterization of Cantinflas character and his father, but never presents the problem as it really is. And Mecanica Nacional used the differences to accentuate humour. Yet this film actually presents the high class (Jose Luis) as oppresive, but also presents the idea of the US dream as being the high class. Abel actually leaves to become part of the American society to have money. What they are saying with this is that class boundaries are set in Mexico, and the only way you can get money if you are poor is by going to the US. This view is seen by thousands of people in Latin America, and to some extent it is true. Life is not a comedy like in Aguila O sol were from one day to another a poor person becomes rich, or were the poor and the rich interact in the same context like in Mecanica Nacional, the social and economic boundaries in third world countries are strict and this film respects it and never wants to satirize it, but call upon it as reflection.

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We all know that the movie was divided into three sections, each one featuring a character. In this blog I want to point out that each of these characters ended up doing something different than what they originally set out for in the beginning. In the beginning of the first section, Rutilio acts like he’s homophobic by getting mad at Chava and Abel for hanging out too much (people might think they were gay), and then he finds a boyfriend and almost ends his relationship with his son, because his son is partly worried about his father’s and his own appearance and almost kills his father’s new boyfriend and has to run away to the US. At first Rutilio is trying to look out for his son, even though his criticism towards him makes him look cruel, and then he ends up losing him for awhile because of their argument.

In the second section, it really never seemed to me that Alma loved Abel as much as he loved her, but she promised him that she would wait for him and she didn’t. She started out as a clean virgin who was searching for a future, but when Abel moved away, she gave up on him almost right away and decided that her future would be prostitution, even though she ran away from it at first.

Susanita was a lonely landlord who was desperate enough for a family to give up rent money in order to have her cards read, but she ended up with a thief, who she got new teeth for (not a cheap procedure). She spent all of her money for men and to get men…she didn’t make Chava pay her back…and then because she realized that Guicho was stealing from her, she tried to end her dream of a family by finally putting herself first and yelling at him for it.

As an audience member, rather than a student who would be analysing it later, I found this movie kind of disturbing because I was rooting for the first two romances to work out (the first one is kind of questionable depending on your opinion, but whatever makes them happy is ok with me) and the first boyfriend almost got killed and with the second romance Alma became a prostitute and Abel got killed. With the third romance, I knew the guy was going to keep stealing from her, so I didn’t care that he got busted in the end. I’m not completely sure how the first two sections significantly blend into the third section, but it seems that if Chava and Rutilio hadn’t gotten into a fight, then Abel wouldn’t have moved away, and then Alma wouldn’t have become a prostitute…but then what would have happened with Susanita? Would she have gone after Chava? I’m not sure what happened there with them except that Chava gave her hope for a new man by kissing her. I guess now that I’ve finished typing this, I don’t think that the movie’s disturbing, but the characters are really pathetic. Only Abel really stands up for what he believes in and doesn’t give up until he’s dead.

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El callejón de los milagros

Me gusta esta película mucho. En primer lugar, tiene una manera única del argumento. Al parecer lo que difiere con los 3 films pasados es que, tiene cuentos varios de una forma paralela, que cada cuento parece único que no tiene ninguna relación con otros cuentos directamente: el primero cuento es sobre Don Rutilio quien se enamora de un muchacho, y por eso su hijo Chava va a Estados Unidos; el segundo cuento es entre Alma y su amor Alber, el bueno amigo de Chava, y ellos se separan por la partida de Alber a Estados Unidos con Chava. Después de salir de Alber, Alma no puede casarse con un hombre viejo y rico por su muerte, y se hace una puta; el tercer cuento es acerca de Guicho, el empleado de Don Rutilio, y la dueño Susanita, y se casan tal vez porque Guicho necesita dineros – estos son tres cuentos principales que parecen distinctos, pero al fin, la última parte de la película nos da los finales de cada personaje. Por lo tanto, los argumentos son muy claro y con soltura.

En segundo lugar, el título es significado y metafórico. Es muy interesante que el título es traducido en dos maneras – “puta depravada” en Hong Kong y “el callejón del deseo/aspiración” o “la vida lamentable” en China. Yo pienso que la primera no es propia (sólo por intención comercial), pero ambos traducciones chinos son bien, pero la parabla “milagro” tiene más cosas:
Don Ru: tiene una familia corriente, pero desea un milagro de passión – muchacho Jaime;
Doña Cata: tiene la capacidad de advinar, pero desea un milagro de dinero – por enganar Susanita;
Susanita: tiene dinero, pero desea un milagro de amor – joven Guicho;
Chava y Guicho: tienen joventud y apariencia, pero desean un milagro de dinero;
Alma: tiene joventud y amor, pero desea un milagro de dinero también.
Pero por desgracia, los “milagros” no traen felicidad o buena suerte a los personajes al fin, sino traen la separación de hijos, el casamiento sin amor y la vida como una puta. Tal vez esto tipo de “milagro” es sólo una sátira – los personas desean muchos milagros, pero los milagros sólo son lamentos. Y tal vez los único personajes sin desgracia son Eusebia y la amiga de Alma, porque no tienen mucho deseos de “milagros”.

En tercer lugar, la elección de la lugar es específica y se centraliza. El callejón es como un escenario que es el único lugar que se pasa todos los cuentos allí. Además de esta película, Mecánica nacional tiene el mismo rasgo, que la mayoria de la trama y el cuento ocurren sólo en el lugar de fiesta. El callejón es pequeño, pero también grande, porque contiene casi todos los desgracias y lamentos en la clase baja.

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